[Milsurplus] OT: Re: USS Stewart vandalized

[J. Forster]

Well, there's the rub as Shakespear said.

I am unconvinced, as is Iran apparently, that the US would take any
meaningful action, other than moving the goal posts, if a red line were
crossed.

YMMV a lot,

-John

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> Some of these countries, like Iran and China, that think they can tweak
> Uncle Sam's nose, had best think carefully before they decide to do
> something terrible, like send over a nuke or crash our power grid through
> a computer virus.
>
> There are still 50 Peacekeeper Missiles, each with 10 RV's that can be
> back on line easily. That's 500 750 KT warheads. If Nuclear Warheads
> are not your cup of tea, they can easily be replaced with conventional
> warheads.
>
> Of course, that assumes we have a Government with the stones to use
> them.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>>> There is scant evidence that what you say is true.  Speak to historians
>>> and they
>>> will tell you that many things are actually better now than they were
>>> in
>>> the past.
>>
>> History is written by the victors, which really means it is biased to
>> those currently in power. I don't trust historians to separate their
>> political biases from their work. There are accepted things about WW II
>> history that are just not true.
>>
>>> You say that these kids do not know the difference between good and
>>> bad?
>>> But what about the numerous stories of group members who did something
>>> bad and were
>>> punished in an appropriate way and learned? Maybe these kids didn't do
>>> something
>>> like that before, maybe alcohol was involved (like the drunken
>>> sailors).
>>> I wouldn't be so quick to condemn society with such little evidence.
>>
>> Damaging drywall in one's own house is petty compared to trashing other
>> people's.
>>
>> There is certainly as much booze, far more drugs, and a lot more
>> trashing
>> of places than even 20 years ago. This is partly as a result of larger,
>> and hence more destructive, 'flash mobs', due to social media.
>>
>>> I'm not excusing what they did but rather just saying that there is
>>> little that can be
>>> concluded about the greater state of affairs from this one incident.
>>
>> Perhaps so, but the frequency of such incidents is growing due to
>> copycats.
>>
>>> Social unrest?  What, right now?  What about the protests of the 60's?
>>> The
>>> Vietnam war protests, the civil rights marches?  I don't see anything
>>> now
>>> that
>>> matches those times!  The US will not go out like Rome, it will be
>>> around
>>> (and strong) for a very long time.
>>
>> And if Iran puts an atomic weapon in a cargo container and ships it into
>> NYC?
>>
>>> Very few say that military force is in general bad.  A massive majority
>>> recognize the need for a competent, professional, strong military.  But
>>> you will
>>> see legitimate debate about how that military should be used, how much
>>> should be
>>> spent on it, and how to deal with the massive inefficiencies in
>>> spending
>>> that
>>> are occurring.   And what's this about "having a gun is bad?"  Or is
>>> the
>>> very
>>> topic taboo to even bring up?  Every freedom has limits and
>>> responsibilities!
>>> Just like having a car.
>>>
>>> That ship is a museum, and yes, a lot of people really do care. Like
>>> other
>>> museums, it may need a decent alarm system though.
>>
>> Probably so.
>>
>>> You want to talk about preservation?  It is the military itself which
>>> is
>>> now
>>> destroying almost all electronics gear rather than allowing it to go
>>> out
>>> on the
>>> surplus market.  Look at MARS even... used to be that interesting gear
>>> was
>>> just
>>> given out for experimentation and modification, attracting a lot of
>>> bright
>>> minds. Now, despite those regulations still saying stuff is given out,
>>> nothing
>>> really is anymore.  They won't even give out small gensets to allow
>>> stations to
>>> operate during power outages!  I've tried going to my representatives
>>> and
>>> they
>>> all listen and are sympathetic but it will take more than a lone voice
>>> here and
>>> there to make anything happen.
>>
>> WW II Mil gear could easily be re-purposed to other uses, partly because
>> is was far less complex and specialized than today, and partly because
>> it
>> used construction techniques that were readily accessible. Not any more,
>> because so much is in silicon or SW. There is also far less being
>> produced.
>>
>> Compare the quantities of modern radios built to WW II quantities...  1
>> to
>> 100 maybe?
>>
>> As to the punks, I think they should be sentenced to clean up and
>> restore
>> everything they damaged, with sentence to run until that cleanup is
>> finished. No parole.
>>
>> YMMV,
>>
>> -John
>> ================
>>
>>>
>>> To use your words, "does anyone give a damn" anymore?
>>>
>>> Peter
>>
>>
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