[Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 89, Issue 29
J. Forster
jfor at quikus.com
Fri Sep 16 14:42:05 EDT 2011
That looks like an interesting supplier, at somewhat better prices than AES.
Best,
-John
===============
> FYI, Here is a source for great looking braided wire in all colors with
> the tracers. And you can buy small quantities. Was following your thread
> and thought this might be a little help.
>
> Narragansett Reproductions
> 107 Woodville Road
> Wood River Junction
> Rhode Island
> 401 364 3839
>
> Good Luck!
> Pat Schreiber
>
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> 1. Re: [ARC5] Wire (J. Forster)
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> 3. Re: Black paint/white paint (Paul Kraemer)
> 4. Re: [ARC5] Wire (J. Forster)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:35:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] Wire
> To: nerd at verizon.net
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> Yes and no. It can be either nylon coated or not. Look at the spools of
> THHN at Home Depot or a similar place. THHN is mostly a temperature spec.
>
> There are other options like MTW.
>
> Also, THHN in sizes smaller than #14 is hard to get. It may be available
> through an electronics supplier, but you probably have to buy 1000'
> minimum.
>
> Finally, modern THHN is printed along its length. WW II wire was generally
> not, or if it was, it had circuit numbers on it.
>
> Best,
>
> -John
>
> ================
>
>
>> Nylon coated PVC sounds like THHN electrical conduit wire.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/15/2011 9:12 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>> YW. It looks OK for chassis wiring, but, sadly, not for cables. I'm not
> sure there are any good alternatives to stranded Teflon in Expando
>>> for cables. The nylon coated PVC seems to be very hard to get.
>>> -John
>>> ===============
>>>> It may not be cheap but it's a heck of a lot easier. Thanks, John!
> Best regards,
>>>> Michael, WH7HG ex-K3MXO, ex-KN3MXO, WPE3ARS, BL01xh ex-Mensa A&P PP
> BGI
>>>> I am me. I?m the only one who?s qualified.
>>>> http://www.nationalmssociety.org/chapters/NTH/index.aspx
>>>> http://wh7hg.blogspot.com/
>>>> http://kludges-other-blog.blogspot.com
>>>> Hiki N?!
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: J. Forster [mailto:jfor at quikus.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 15 September, 2011 14:50
>>>> To: h Kludge
>>>> Cc: arc5 at mailman.qth.net; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARC5] Wire
>>>> Not cheap, but:
>>>> http://tubesandmore.com/Catalog/page_084_085.php
>>>> -John
>>>> ===========
>>>>> In looking at the fabric over rubber wiring used way back when, there
> seem
>>>>> to be two different flavors, one that has the fabric kind of loose
> and
>>>>> easily frayed and the other has the fabric somehow bonded to the
>>>>> rubber
>>>>> which reduces fraying and makes for neater work. Since I?m going to
>>>>> try
>>>>> my
>>>>> hand at making fabric over something wire in an attempt at making
>>>>> things
>>>>> appear even more authentic*, it would be nice to know how it was done
> originally. ?Something? may wind up plastic, vinyl or Teflon
> dependent
>>>>> on
>>>>> what I can get that looks right as to overall bulk.
>>>>> * I may even try lacing in the tracers which would probably not be
>>>>> good
>>>>> therapy when they take me back to psych lockdown as a result of this
> activity. Nor would basket weaving. :-)
>>>>> The way I think this will work is to use white older type flat
> shoelaces,
>>>>> wet them and force them over forms (read as: dowels) while they dry
> to
>>>>> reduce or take out the creases. (This may also require a bit of
> ironing.)
>>>>> After that, introduce them to some RIT dye to get the right base
>>>>> colors
>>>>> for
>>>>> color coded wiring and put them back over the forms to dry. Assuming
> (and
>>>>> we all know what that word means) this works as planned, I may
>>>>> actually
>>>>> try
>>>>> lacing in the tracers although it would be insanely time& labor
> intensive
>>>>> and only a few people would actually realize that the tracers are
> supposed
>>>>> to be there. I think all of them are in these lists. Anyway, a
>>>>> little
>>>>> yellow varnish to give it the official MFP look and I should have
> wire
>>>>> good
>>>>> for open cables.
>>>>> If the basic project goes well ? i.e., the part about using shoelaces
>>>>> to
>>>>> make a reasonable facsimile of WW II cloth covered wire ? the next
>>>>> step
>>>>> would be to use the same basic technique to make vinyl over white
>>>>> woven
>>>>> fabric over vinyl wiring used in later aircraft. I?m not sure I know
> what
>>>>> to seal the fabric with but after that?s done the top coat can be a
>>>>> dip
>>>>> in
>>>>> Dip-It clear vinyl. If this works as I think it will, this will
> solve
>>>>> the
>>>>> problem of wiring up the Type 12 equipment with more or less period
> appropriate open wire.
>>>>> Using shoelaces presents two problems right off. First, the prices
> of
>>>>> good
>>>>> ones that don?t have the funky seams on each edge and are small
> enough
>>>>> have
>>>>> gone out of sight. Second, it limits the size of any given run to
> the
>>>>> length of the longest laces I can find. On the other hand, for
> everything
>>>>> except the SCR-A*-183 I?ll be using open wiring as much as possible,
> mostly
>>>>> because I like it but also because a good number of my connectors are
> for
>>>>> open wiring and it?s easier to convert the ones that aren?t to that
>>>>> than
>>>>> it
>>>>> is the ones for open wiring to shielded cable.
>>>>> So there it is. Thoughts?
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Michael, WH7HG ex-K3MXO, ex-KN3MXO, WPE3ARS, BL01xh ex-Mensa A&P PP
>>>>> BGI
>>>>> I am me. I?m the only one who?s qualified.
>>>>> <http://www.nationalmssociety.org/chapters/NTH/index.aspx>
>>>>> http://www.nationalmssociety.org/chapters/NTH/index.aspx
>>>>> <http://wh7hg.blogspot.com/> http://wh7hg.blogspot.com/
>>>>> <http://kludges-other-blog.blogspot.com/>
>>>>> http://kludges-other-blog.blogspot.com
>>>>> Hiki N?!
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> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:50:13 -0400
> From: Peter Gottlieb <nerd at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] Wire
> To: jfor at quikus.com
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> The outer coat is to reduce friction for pulling through conduit. I've
> seen 16
> and 18 AWG, but yeah, we get it 10,000 feet at a time on big spools. Yes,
> printed with rating, it is required by the inspectors. If you are having
> trouble
> getting to sleep you can have a conversation about what the rating means
> with my
> safety and compliance guy.
>
>
> On 9/15/2011 9:35 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>> Yes and no. It can be either nylon coated or not. Look at the spools of
>> THHN at Home Depot or a similar place. THHN is mostly a temperature
>> spec.
>>
>> There are other options like MTW.
>>
>> Also, THHN in sizes smaller than #14 is hard to get. It may be available
>> through an electronics supplier, but you probably have to buy 1000'
>> minimum.
>>
>> Finally, modern THHN is printed along its length. WW II wire was
>> generally
>> not, or if it was, it had circuit numbers on it.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> -John
>>
>> ================
>>
>>
>>> Nylon coated PVC sounds like THHN electrical conduit wire.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/15/2011 9:12 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>> YW. It looks OK for chassis wiring, but, sadly, not for cables. I'm
>>>> not
>> sure there are any good alternatives to stranded Teflon in Expando
>>>> for cables. The nylon coated PVC seems to be very hard to get.
>>>> -John
>>>> ===============
>>>>> It may not be cheap but it's a heck of a lot easier. Thanks, John!
>> Best regards,
>>>>> Michael, WH7HG ex-K3MXO, ex-KN3MXO, WPE3ARS, BL01xh ex-Mensa A&P PP
>> BGI
>>>>> I am me. I?m the only one who?s qualified.
>>>>> http://www.nationalmssociety.org/chapters/NTH/index.aspx
>>>>> http://wh7hg.blogspot.com/
>>>>> http://kludges-other-blog.blogspot.com
>>>>> Hiki N?!
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: J. Forster [mailto:jfor at quikus.com]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 15 September, 2011 14:50
>>>>> To: h Kludge
>>>>> Cc: arc5 at mailman.qth.net; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARC5] Wire
>>>>> Not cheap, but:
>>>>> http://tubesandmore.com/Catalog/page_084_085.php
>>>>> -John
>>>>> ===========
>>>>>> In looking at the fabric over rubber wiring used way back when,
>>>>>> there
>> seem
>>>>>> to be two different flavors, one that has the fabric kind of loose
>> and
>>>>>> easily frayed and the other has the fabric somehow bonded to the
>>>>>> rubber
>>>>>> which reduces fraying and makes for neater work. Since I?m going to
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> hand at making fabric over something wire in an attempt at making
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> appear even more authentic*, it would be nice to know how it was
>>>>>> done
>> originally. ?Something? may wind up plastic, vinyl or Teflon
>> dependent
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> what I can get that looks right as to overall bulk.
>>>>>> * I may even try lacing in the tracers which would probably not be
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> therapy when they take me back to psych lockdown as a result of this
>> activity. Nor would basket weaving. :-)
>>>>>> The way I think this will work is to use white older type flat
>> shoelaces,
>>>>>> wet them and force them over forms (read as: dowels) while they dry
>> to
>>>>>> reduce or take out the creases. (This may also require a bit of
>> ironing.)
>>>>>> After that, introduce them to some RIT dye to get the right base
>>>>>> colors
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> color coded wiring and put them back over the forms to dry.
>>>>>> Assuming
>> (and
>>>>>> we all know what that word means) this works as planned, I may
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> lacing in the tracers although it would be insanely time& labor
>> intensive
>>>>>> and only a few people would actually realize that the tracers are
>> supposed
>>>>>> to be there. I think all of them are in these lists. Anyway, a
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> yellow varnish to give it the official MFP look and I should have
>> wire
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> for open cables.
>>>>>> If the basic project goes well ? i.e., the part about using
>>>>>> shoelaces to
>>>>>> make a reasonable facsimile of WW II cloth covered wire ? the next
>>>>>> step
>>>>>> would be to use the same basic technique to make vinyl over white
>>>>>> woven
>>>>>> fabric over vinyl wiring used in later aircraft. I?m not sure I
>>>>>> know
>> what
>>>>>> to seal the fabric with but after that?s done the top coat can be a
>>>>>> dip
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Dip-It clear vinyl. If this works as I think it will, this will
>> solve
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> problem of wiring up the Type 12 equipment with more or less period
>> appropriate open wire.
>>>>>> Using shoelaces presents two problems right off. First, the prices
>> of
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> ones that don?t have the funky seams on each edge and are small
>> enough
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> gone out of sight. Second, it limits the size of any given run to
>> the
>>>>>> length of the longest laces I can find. On the other hand, for
>> everything
>>>>>> except the SCR-A*-183 I?ll be using open wiring as much as possible,
>> mostly
>>>>>> because I like it but also because a good number of my connectors
>>>>>> are
>> for
>>>>>> open wiring and it?s easier to convert the ones that aren?t to that
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is the ones for open wiring to shielded cable.
>>>>>> So there it is. Thoughts?
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Michael, WH7HG ex-K3MXO, ex-KN3MXO, WPE3ARS, BL01xh ex-Mensa A&P PP
>>>>>> BGI
>>>>>> I am me. I?m the only one who?s qualified.
>>>>>> <http://www.nationalmssociety.org/chapters/NTH/index.aspx>
>>>>>> http://www.nationalmssociety.org/chapters/NTH/index.aspx
>>>>>> <http://wh7hg.blogspot.com/> http://wh7hg.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> <http://kludges-other-blog.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>> http://kludges-other-blog.blogspot.com
>>>>>> Hiki N?!
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:54:40 -0500
> From: "Paul Kraemer" <elespe at lisco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Black paint/white paint
> To: "Nick England" <navy.radio at gmail.com>,
> <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
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> Goes along with what I have seen on contracts of that type. Full
> disclosure,
> no proprietary items. Carried over to large industrial contracts too.
> Munincipalities would be wise to take a lesson from that. Too many times I
> see them get stuck with a bunch of proprietary items where the originator
> won't even release service information. Then us poor folk in the trenches
> 10 years down the road are stuck with trying to fix it with no supporting
> information. Unfortunately the originator is long gone or bankrupt and
> the
> customer just keeps paying through the nose. Ever wonder why your city is
> always out of money? Politics, that is why.
> Paul K0UYA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick England" <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Black paint/white paint
>
>
> That was the deal on military procurements - the original supplier was
> required to provide complete documentation so that subsequent
> contractors could make clones. I have come across some interesting
> lawsuit docs on-line from when the 2nd contractor could only make out
> about 75% of the govt-furnished microfilmed drawings from the original
> contractor.
>
> p.s. never saw any "white" scopes while I was working at US Naval
> Elecronics Systems test & Evaluation Facility...but it was fun
> watching gray scopes get tested on the "lightweight" shock test
> machine (5' drop of a 400 lb hammer).
>
> At least they didn't have to undergo the "heavyweight" shock test
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5792069545817995838#docid=7060797370504105853
>
> cheers,
> Nick K4NYW
> www.navy-radio.com
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:39 PM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote:
>> A friend set up and ran the line for those clones. It was strictly the
>> lowest bidder got the job. They were exact copies.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> ===============
>>
>>
>>> I remember those clones. They made their way to the US Air Force as
>>> well. I was already familiar with the Tektronix models they copied,
>>> and figured it was just being sure there were two or more suppliers. I
>>> still think the Tektronix had an edge in quality and performance.
>>>
>>> Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
>>>
>>> Ralph Cameron wrote:
>>>> Paint reminds me of the U.S. Navy contract to buy Tek scopes painted
>>>> white- Tek refused to deviate from their standard blue so the gov't
>>>> awarded contracts to Hiicock and Lavoie. Both contractors copied the
>>>> Tek
>>>> scopes including some spare holes that found their way into the
>>>> chassis.
>>>> Tek sued and many years later the gov't paid $7million compensation
>>>> for
>>>> patent infringement. Past history now and I am sure there3 have been
>>>> many similar procurement blips.
>>>>
>>>> Ralph
>>>> VE3BBM
>>>>
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> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] [ARC5] Wire
> To: nerd at verizon.net
> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <3205.12.6.201.39.1316139240.squirrel at popaccts.quikus.com>
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>
>> The outer coat is to reduce friction for pulling through conduit.
>
> Yes.
>
> I've seen 16 and 18 AWG, but yeah, we get it 10,000 feet at a time on big
> spools.
>
> MTW may be available.
>
> Yes,
>> printed with rating, it is required by the inspectors. If you are having
>> trouble
>> getting to sleep you can have a conversation about what the rating means
>> with my
>> safety and compliance guy.
>
> Nah. I just read the NEC.
>
> -John
>
> ================
>>
>>
>> On 9/15/2011 9:35 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>> Yes and no. It can be either nylon coated or not. Look at the spools of
>>> THHN at Home Depot or a similar place. THHN is mostly a temperature
>>> spec.
>>>
>>> There are other options like MTW.
>>>
>>> Also, THHN in sizes smaller than #14 is hard to get. It may be
>>> available
>>> through an electronics supplier, but you probably have to buy 1000'
>>> minimum.
>>>
>>> Finally, modern THHN is printed along its length. WW II wire was
>>> generally
>>> not, or if it was, it had circuit numbers on it.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> -John
>>>
>>> ================
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nylon coated PVC sounds like THHN electrical conduit wire.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/15/2011 9:12 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>>> YW. It looks OK for chassis wiring, but, sadly, not for cables. I'm
>>>>> not
>>> sure there are any good alternatives to stranded Teflon in Expando
>>>>> for cables. The nylon coated PVC seems to be very hard to get.
>>>>> -John
>>>>> ===============
>>>>>> It may not be cheap but it's a heck of a lot easier. Thanks, John!
>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Michael, WH7HG ex-K3MXO, ex-KN3MXO, WPE3ARS, BL01xh ex-Mensa A&P PP
>>> BGI
>>>>>> I am me. I?m the only one who?s qualified.
>>>>>> http://www.nationalmssociety.org/chapters/NTH/index.aspx
>>>>>> http://wh7hg.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> http://kludges-other-blog.blogspot.com
>>>>>> Hiki N?!
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: J. Forster [mailto:jfor at quikus.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 15 September, 2011 14:50
>>>>>> To: h Kludge
>>>>>> Cc: arc5 at mailman.qth.net; milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARC5] Wire
>>>>>> Not cheap, but:
>>>>>> http://tubesandmore.com/Catalog/page_084_085.php
>>>>>> -John
>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>>> In looking at the fabric over rubber wiring used way back when,
>>>>>>> there
>>> seem
>>>>>>> to be two different flavors, one that has the fabric kind of loose
>>> and
>>>>>>> easily frayed and the other has the fabric somehow bonded to the
>>>>>>> rubber
>>>>>>> which reduces fraying and makes for neater work. Since I?m going
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> hand at making fabric over something wire in an attempt at making
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> appear even more authentic*, it would be nice to know how it was
>>>>>>> done
>>> originally. ?Something? may wind up plastic, vinyl or Teflon
>>> dependent
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> what I can get that looks right as to overall bulk.
>>>>>>> * I may even try lacing in the tracers which would probably not be
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> therapy when they take me back to psych lockdown as a result of
>>>>>>> this
>>> activity. Nor would basket weaving. :-)
>>>>>>> The way I think this will work is to use white older type flat
>>> shoelaces,
>>>>>>> wet them and force them over forms (read as: dowels) while they dry
>>> to
>>>>>>> reduce or take out the creases. (This may also require a bit of
>>> ironing.)
>>>>>>> After that, introduce them to some RIT dye to get the right base
>>>>>>> colors
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> color coded wiring and put them back over the forms to dry.
>>>>>>> Assuming
>>> (and
>>>>>>> we all know what that word means) this works as planned, I may
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>> lacing in the tracers although it would be insanely time& labor
>>> intensive
>>>>>>> and only a few people would actually realize that the tracers are
>>> supposed
>>>>>>> to be there. I think all of them are in these lists. Anyway, a
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> yellow varnish to give it the official MFP look and I should have
>>> wire
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> for open cables.
>>>>>>> If the basic project goes well ? i.e., the part about using
>>>>>>> shoelaces to
>>>>>>> make a reasonable facsimile of WW II cloth covered wire ? the next
>>>>>>> step
>>>>>>> would be to use the same basic technique to make vinyl over white
>>>>>>> woven
>>>>>>> fabric over vinyl wiring used in later aircraft. I?m not sure I
>>>>>>> know
>>> what
>>>>>>> to seal the fabric with but after that?s done the top coat can be a
>>>>>>> dip
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Dip-It clear vinyl. If this works as I think it will, this will
>>> solve
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> problem of wiring up the Type 12 equipment with more or less period
>>> appropriate open wire.
>>>>>>> Using shoelaces presents two problems right off. First, the prices
>>> of
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> ones that don?t have the funky seams on each edge and are small
>>> enough
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> gone out of sight. Second, it limits the size of any given run to
>>> the
>>>>>>> length of the longest laces I can find. On the other hand, for
>>> everything
>>>>>>> except the SCR-A*-183 I?ll be using open wiring as much as
>>>>>>> possible,
>>> mostly
>>>>>>> because I like it but also because a good number of my connectors
>>>>>>> are
>>> for
>>>>>>> open wiring and it?s easier to convert the ones that aren?t to that
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> is the ones for open wiring to shielded cable.
>>>>>>> So there it is. Thoughts?
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Michael, WH7HG ex-K3MXO, ex-KN3MXO, WPE3ARS, BL01xh ex-Mensa A&P PP
>>>>>>> BGI
>>>>>>> I am me. I?m the only one who?s qualified.
>>>>>>> <http://www.nationalmssociety.org/chapters/NTH/index.aspx>
>>>>>>> http://www.nationalmssociety.org/chapters/NTH/index.aspx
>>>>>>> <http://wh7hg.blogspot.com/> http://wh7hg.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> <http://kludges-other-blog.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>>> http://kludges-other-blog.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> Hiki N?!
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