[Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 77, Issue 66
Greg Mijal
bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com
Tue Sep 28 10:49:20 EDT 2010
Hi Henry:
Mostly radio parts and tubes.
73's
Greg
WA7LYO
Kinston NC
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From: "Henry Mei'l's" <meils at get2net.dk>
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Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 77, Issue 66
> Hi Greg,
>
> I've got a leg key in top shape, used it a few times, too - I live in DK
> but
> the unit is not that heavy-
> what do you have for trade? (As I recall, the assembly uses not a J38 but
> a
> J37, re Robert-W5CAB's comment)
>
> Henry, OZ1UF- Cph/ex Bklyn
>
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>> 1. Re: Radioactive OA2 tubes? (Gary Pewitt)
>> 2. WTB or WTT: Leg Key (Greg Mijal)
>> 3. Re: WTB or WTT: Leg Key (Mike Morrow)
>> 4. Re: WTB or WTT: Leg Key (WA5CAB at cs.com)
>> 5. Using GDO to check bc-348 coils. (John Hutchins)
>> 6. Re: [Boatanchors] WTB or WTT: Leg Key (WA5CAB at cs.com)
>> 7. Re: Using GDO to check bc-348 coils. (jcoward5452 at aol.com)
>> 8. Re: WTB or WTT: Leg Key (COURYHOUSE at aol.com)
>> 9. Re: WTB or WTT: Leg Key (COURYHOUSE at aol.com)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:54:04 -0500
>> From: Gary Pewitt <garypewitt at centurytel.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Radioactive OA2 tubes?
>> To: nerd at verizon.net
>> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <4CA13CAC.2010709 at centurytel.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> A funny thing about that nasty smoke film though, it sometimes protects
>> and preserves the paint. After cleaning it off several rigs (holding my
>> nose all the time) I found the paint to be in excellent condition. Just
>> goes to show ya, nothing is -all- bad. ;-)
>> 73 Gary N9ZSV
>>
>>
>> On 9/27/2010 6:43 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>>> As someone who shares your feelings about smoking, you can just
>>> imagine my
>>> disappointment when I receive a piece of gear that reeks of smoke. It
>>> can be
>>> nearly impossible to remove the smell.
>>>
>>> I got rid of my RF-110A amplifier setup due to the smell, which after a
>>> huge
>>> amount of cleaning only came out when the unit was all warmed up, and
>>> would then
>>> stink up my shack.
>>>
>>> Lesser gear has been returned or simply thrown out.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/27/2010 6:47 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>>
>>>> First off, let me say I utterly detest smoking. It is an utterly filthy
>>>> and disgusting addiction.
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:05:31 -0400
>> From: "Greg Mijal" <bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com>
>> Subject: [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
>> To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <190011D4D3A54BE8B19A71660EA312EA at GregMijalPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military leg key.
>>
>> Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied with a
>> J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that allow it to
>> lever
>> over.
>> Thanks
>> Greg
>> WA7LYO
>> Kinston NC
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:35:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>> From: Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
>> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID:
>> <5204093.1285637735563.JavaMail.root at elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Greg wrote:
>>
>>>I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military leg key.
>>
>> That would be a J-45 (Pre-JAN Signal Corps nomenclature) or
>> KY-116/U (JAN nomenclature).
>>
>>>Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied
>>>with a J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that
>>>allow it to lever over.
>>
>> The J-38 was only a Morse training key, never used in actual in-service
>> radio installations. The J-37 is correct. A J-37 is part of both keys
>> noted above.
>>
>> These keys show up fairly commonly on ebay and at hamfests.
>>
>> Mike / KK5F
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:00:54 EDT
>> From: WA5CAB at cs.com
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
>> To: bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <10bafa.3a1bb63f.39d2a656 at cs.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Greg,
>>
>> You are looking for a J-45. The key on it is a J-37. J-38 is a
>> completely
>> different beast.
>>
>> In a message dated 9/27/2010 8:05:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com writes:
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military leg key.
>>>
>>> Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied with
>>> a
>>> J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that allow it to
>>> lever
>>> over.
>>> Thanks
>>> Greg
>>> WA7LYO
>>> Kinston NC
>>
>> Robert Downs - Houston
>> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
>> MVPA 9480
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:25:50 -0500
>> From: John Hutchins <olegerityincj at austin.rr.com>
>> Subject: [Milsurplus] Using GDO to check bc-348 coils.
>> To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <4CA1522E.9080305 at austin.rr.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> All -
>>
>> Thanks for all the advice to get you all up to date where I am at in
>> restoring my frist
>> BC-348R. Have replaced all the paper bypass caps, all but 6 .01 mica
>> by pass caps.
>> Yes even the sneaky .01uf in the BFO can. Checked all the RF/OSC micas
>> that feed the Tuning cap.
>> most were on the mark ~< 3% off of posted value. All caps checked with
>> an LCR meter and RVAM for resistors.
>>
>> So tuned up the old beast using a HP8601A signal generator.
>>
>> After the tune up these are the symptoms of receiver; Band 6 18-13.5 Mc
>> squeaky, wobbly, tuning 13.5 - 14.0 bottom end. Low ends of 3 bands
>> seem to be out of spec.
>>
>> For each band wanted to spot what the actual frequency was when setting
>> to lowest setting for each band.
>> Band range low value found at low mark
>> 1. 500 - 200 200.00 khz
>> 2. 3.5 - 1.5 1.500 mhz
>> 3. 6.0 - 3.5 3.447 mhz - .984%
>> 4. 9.5 - 6.0 6.040 mhz .011%
>> 5. 13.5 - 9.5 9.389 mhz -.988%
>> 6. 18.0 - 13.5 13.485 mhz -.9%
>> All spotted using the Frequency counter to monitor the HP8601A signal
>> feed to the BC-348R.
>>
>> I purchased a GDO Millen 90651 tube type, of course! , to see if the
>> coils meet published Q at rated frequency. In manual.
>>
>> So the GDO Millen 90651 is not acting correctly in my opinion. It goes
>> from .15 ma to 1ma consistently no matter which coil is plugged in when
>> rolling, tuning, from low to high frequency.
>>
>> Since Q = F1 / 2* (F1-F2)
>> where F2 = 70.7% of F1
>>
>> So when the meter is around .15ma it is tough to :
>> 1. Get or find a dip;
>> 2. Find %70.7 / from the dip
>> just a tad difficult?
>>
>> Since the coils are all good on the GDO. A signal is detectable on the
>> radio. I was hoping for a pointer to a AH-HA problem, solution.....
>>
>>
>> -Hutch
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:16:10 EDT
>> From: WA5CAB at cs.com
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
>> To: k2gkk at hotmail.com, macklinbob at msn.com,
>> bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <10eed1.1058741f.39d2b7fa at cs.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Technically, both of the ones Bob posted the item numbers of are either
>> J-40's, J-45's or KY-116/U's, but incomplete. Although the leg iron of
>> one may
>> have originally been stenciled "J-45", which lets out the J-40 for it.
>> All
>> three key types consist of a J-37 key, a leg band with hinged mounting
>> plate (band assembly has no nomenclature), and a cord terminated in a
>> two-circuit 1/4" diameter plug. The cord on the J-40 c/o 60" of CO-79
>> and
>> a PL-5
>> plug. The cord on the J-45 is CD-201 or CD-201-A (which c/o 60" of CO-79
>> plus a
>> PL-55 plug). The cord on the KY-116/U is a CO-201-A with the CD-201-A
>> band
>> replaced by one that has KY-116/U stamped on it and in some cases the
>> black
>> plastic PL-55 sleeve replaced by one marked PJ-055B.
>>
>> Anyway, one of the two still has the cord mounting bracket attached, and
>> would be the better one to buy. The cord can be made. The bracket would
>> be
>> more difficult. The chopped off cord in the bracket may also have the
>> KY-116/U band on it or the seller probably wouldn't have known to mention
>> that
>> nomenclature.
>>
>> And Mac, I think my leg bands have shrunk, too. :-) Who'd've thought
>> that
>> steel would do that?
>>
>> In a message dated 9/27/2010 9:55:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> k2gkk at hotmail.com writes:
>>> Both look pretty much like the one I have had for over 45 years now!
>>>
>>> Mine still has what appears to be the original cord with its PL-55!
>>> Plus considerable corrosion. Label on it is Lewyt 374.
>>>
>>> Sure fits my thigh a whole lot tighter than it did when I got it!
>>>
>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>>> ~ 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 ~
>>> ~ (Since 30 Nov 53) ~
>>> ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~
>>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>>>
>>> * "An unarmed man can but flee *
>>> * from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
>>> * overcome by flight FROM it." *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: macklinbob at msn.com
>>> >To: WA5CAB at cs.com; bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com;
>>> milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>>> >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:24:35 -0700
>>> >CC: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>>> >Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
>>> >
>>> >Or this?
>>> >
>>> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Military-Radio-J-37-Telegraph-Code-Key-Knee-Mount-/270638211585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f034b6201)
>>> >
>>> >Bob Macklin
>>> >K5MYJ
>>> >Seattle, Wa.
>>> >"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: <WA5CAB at cs.com>
>>> >To: <bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com>; <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>>> >Cc: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
>>> >Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:00 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>Greg,
>>> >>
>>> >>You are looking for a J-45. The key on it is a J-37. J-38 is a
>>> >>completely different beast.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>> Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
>> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
>> MVPA 9480
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:26:22 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: jcoward5452 at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Using GDO to check bc-348 coils.
>> To: olegerityincj at austin.rr.com, Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <8CD2CD40EBE852C-18D4-7F84 at webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> And your problem is.....??????
>> The radio works, enjoy it!
>> This is a general coverage rx designed for average at best operators
>> with
>> a statistically short life span, sad to say.
>>
>> As for the sqeaky band, I had a similar situation with one that had a
>> problem with "back lash" in the main tuning cap.Make sure the tuning cap
>> is mechanically sound.And this would appear more or less on all bands.
>> Also, I've had problems with those pesky trimmer ACP caps in the rf
>> "boxes". Sometimes the retaining sleeve (looks like a nut but isn't)will
>> fracture and now you have a variable Variable cap.This one took a day to
>> figure out with a magnifying glass and a microscope! Actually you can
>> lightly "poke" these with a tuning tool to see if they have a mechanical
>> integrity problem.
>>
>> Good luck, these are fine receivers. I am useing my first that I got as a
>> chassis from tech school back in the late '70's for 20 bucks. It's a "C"
>> modified to "S" .We (college buddies) used to listen to AFRTS baseball
>> games and watch the video on local TV.AFRTS was a second or two ahead of
>> the local TV.Imagine the hilarity after a couple beers! It is fairly well
>> restored now thanks to members of this and other related lists.
>> Jay KE6PPF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Hutchins <olegerityincj at austin.rr.com>
>> To: Milsurplus <Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:25 pm
>> Subject: [Milsurplus] Using GDO to check bc-348 coils.
>>
>>
>> All -
>> Thanks for all the advice to get you all up to date where I am at in
>> estoring my frist
>> C-348R. Have replaced all the paper bypass caps, all but 6 .01 mica
>> y pass caps.
>> es even the sneaky .01uf in the BFO can. Checked all the RF/OSC micas
>> hat feed the Tuning cap.
>> ost were on the mark ~< 3% off of posted value. All caps checked with
>> n LCR meter and RVAM for resistors.
>> So tuned up the old beast using a HP8601A signal generator.
>> After the tune up these are the symptoms of receiver; Band 6 18-13.5 Mc
>> queaky, wobbly, tuning 13.5 - 14.0 bottom end. Low ends of 3 bands
>> eem to be out of spec.
>> For each band wanted to spot what the actual frequency was when setting
>> o lowest setting for each band.
>> and range low value found at low mark
>> . 500 - 200 200.00 khz
>> . 3.5 - 1.5 1.500 mhz
>> . 6.0 - 3.5 3.447 mhz - .984%
>> . 9.5 - 6.0 6.040 mhz .011%
>> . 13.5 - 9.5 9.389 mhz -.988%
>> . 18.0 - 13.5 13.485 mhz -.9%
>> ll spotted using the Frequency counter to monitor the HP8601A signal
>> eed to the BC-348R.
>> I purchased a GDO Millen 90651 tube type, of course! , to see if the
>> oils meet published Q at rated frequency. In manual.
>> So the GDO Millen 90651 is not acting correctly in my opinion. It goes
>> rom .15 ma to 1ma consistently no matter which coil is plugged in when
>> olling, tuning, from low to high frequency.
>> Since Q = F1 / 2* (F1-F2)
>> here F2 = 70.7% of F1
>> So when the meter is around .15ma it is tough to :
>> . Get or find a dip;
>> . Find %70.7 / from the dip
>> ust a tad difficult?
>> Since the coils are all good on the GDO. A signal is detectable on the
>> adio. I was hoping for a pointer to a AH-HA problem, solution.....
>>
>> Hutch
>>
>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:27:23 EDT
>> From: COURYHOUSE at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
>> To: kk5f at arrl.net, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <48269.74b8645f.39d2c8ab at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> looks something like this...
>>
>>
>> Goldwater - Here is something you might like for your museum. It is a
>> military aviator's key. They would clip it on their leg and...
>>
>> see _http://www.smecc.org/rest_of_images/barry_1.gif_
>> (http://www.smecc.org/rest_of_images/barry_1.gif)
>> (dunno if listserv will pass photo so here in link)
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/27/2010 6:35:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
>> kk5f at earthlink.net writes:
>>
>> Greg wrote:
>>
>>>I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military leg key.
>>
>> That would be a J-45 (Pre-JAN Signal Corps nomenclature) or
>> KY-116/U (JAN nomenclature).
>>
>>>Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied
>>>with a J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that
>>>allow it to lever over.
>>
>> The J-38 was only a Morse training key, never used in actual in-service
>> radio installations. The J-37 is correct. A J-37 is part of both keys
>> noted above.
>>
>> These keys show up fairly commonly on ebay and at hamfests.
>>
>> Mike / KK5F
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/27/2010 6:35:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
>> kk5f at earthlink.net writes:
>>
>> Greg wrote:
>>
>>>I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military leg key.
>>
>> That would be a J-45 (Pre-JAN Signal Corps nomenclature) or
>> KY-116/U (JAN nomenclature).
>>
>>>Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied
>>>with a J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that
>>>allow it to lever over.
>>
>> The J-38 was only a Morse training key, never used in actual in-service
>> radio installations. The J-37 is correct. A J-37 is part of both keys
>> noted above.
>>
>> These keys show up fairly commonly on ebay and at hamfests.
>>
>> Mike / KK5F
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:40:46 EDT
>> From: COURYHOUSE at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
>> To: COURYHOUSE at aol.com, kk5f at arrl.net, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <487bd.75476ba4.39d2cbce at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> and yea.... the steel bands on mine seem to have shrunk also...seems to
>> be
>> a common class problem of this unit!
>>
>> someday when we get some more maiquens we can display this properly on
>> leg rather than on shelf.
>>
>> Ed#
>>
>> In a message dated 9/27/2010 6:35:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
>> kk5f at earthlink.net writes:
>>
>> Greg wrote:
>>
>>>I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military k leg key.
>>
>> That would be a J-45 (Pre-JAN Signal Corps nomenclature) or
>> KY-116/U (JAN nomenclature).
>>
>>>Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied
>>>with a J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that
>>>allow it to lever over.
>>
>> The J-38 was only a Morse training key, never used in actual in-service
>> radio installations. The J-37 is correct. A J-37 is part of both keys
>> noted above.
>>
>> These keys show up fairly commonly on ebay and at hamfests.
>>
>> Mike / KK5F
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
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