[Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 77, Issue 66
Henry Mei'l's
meils at get2net.dk
Tue Sep 28 02:23:39 EDT 2010
Hi Greg,
I've got a leg key in top shape, used it a few times, too - I live in DK but
the unit is not that heavy-
what do you have for trade? (As I recall, the assembly uses not a J38 but a
J37, re Robert-W5CAB's comment)
Henry, OZ1UF- Cph/ex Bklyn
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> 1. Re: Radioactive OA2 tubes? (Gary Pewitt)
> 2. WTB or WTT: Leg Key (Greg Mijal)
> 3. Re: WTB or WTT: Leg Key (Mike Morrow)
> 4. Re: WTB or WTT: Leg Key (WA5CAB at cs.com)
> 5. Using GDO to check bc-348 coils. (John Hutchins)
> 6. Re: [Boatanchors] WTB or WTT: Leg Key (WA5CAB at cs.com)
> 7. Re: Using GDO to check bc-348 coils. (jcoward5452 at aol.com)
> 8. Re: WTB or WTT: Leg Key (COURYHOUSE at aol.com)
> 9. Re: WTB or WTT: Leg Key (COURYHOUSE at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:54:04 -0500
> From: Gary Pewitt <garypewitt at centurytel.net>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Radioactive OA2 tubes?
> To: nerd at verizon.net
> Cc: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4CA13CAC.2010709 at centurytel.net>
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> A funny thing about that nasty smoke film though, it sometimes protects
> and preserves the paint. After cleaning it off several rigs (holding my
> nose all the time) I found the paint to be in excellent condition. Just
> goes to show ya, nothing is -all- bad. ;-)
> 73 Gary N9ZSV
>
>
> On 9/27/2010 6:43 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>> As someone who shares your feelings about smoking, you can just
>> imagine my
>> disappointment when I receive a piece of gear that reeks of smoke. It
>> can be
>> nearly impossible to remove the smell.
>>
>> I got rid of my RF-110A amplifier setup due to the smell, which after a
>> huge
>> amount of cleaning only came out when the unit was all warmed up, and
>> would then
>> stink up my shack.
>>
>> Lesser gear has been returned or simply thrown out.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On 9/27/2010 6:47 PM, J. Forster wrote:
>>
>>> First off, let me say I utterly detest smoking. It is an utterly filthy
>>> and disgusting addiction.
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:05:31 -0400
> From: "Greg Mijal" <bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
> To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
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> Hi:
>
> I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military leg key.
>
> Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied with a
> J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that allow it to lever
> over.
> Thanks
> Greg
> WA7LYO
> Kinston NC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:35:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
> To: milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
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> Greg wrote:
>
>>I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military leg key.
>
> That would be a J-45 (Pre-JAN Signal Corps nomenclature) or
> KY-116/U (JAN nomenclature).
>
>>Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied
>>with a J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that
>>allow it to lever over.
>
> The J-38 was only a Morse training key, never used in actual in-service
> radio installations. The J-37 is correct. A J-37 is part of both keys
> noted above.
>
> These keys show up fairly commonly on ebay and at hamfests.
>
> Mike / KK5F
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:00:54 EDT
> From: WA5CAB at cs.com
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
> To: bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <10bafa.3a1bb63f.39d2a656 at cs.com>
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>
> Greg,
>
> You are looking for a J-45. The key on it is a J-37. J-38 is a
> completely
> different beast.
>
> In a message dated 9/27/2010 8:05:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
> bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com writes:
>> Hi:
>>
>> I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military leg key.
>>
>> Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied with a
>> J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that allow it to
>> lever
>> over.
>> Thanks
>> Greg
>> WA7LYO
>> Kinston NC
>
> Robert Downs - Houston
> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
> MVPA 9480
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 21:25:50 -0500
> From: John Hutchins <olegerityincj at austin.rr.com>
> Subject: [Milsurplus] Using GDO to check bc-348 coils.
> To: Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4CA1522E.9080305 at austin.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> All -
>
> Thanks for all the advice to get you all up to date where I am at in
> restoring my frist
> BC-348R. Have replaced all the paper bypass caps, all but 6 .01 mica
> by pass caps.
> Yes even the sneaky .01uf in the BFO can. Checked all the RF/OSC micas
> that feed the Tuning cap.
> most were on the mark ~< 3% off of posted value. All caps checked with
> an LCR meter and RVAM for resistors.
>
> So tuned up the old beast using a HP8601A signal generator.
>
> After the tune up these are the symptoms of receiver; Band 6 18-13.5 Mc
> squeaky, wobbly, tuning 13.5 - 14.0 bottom end. Low ends of 3 bands
> seem to be out of spec.
>
> For each band wanted to spot what the actual frequency was when setting
> to lowest setting for each band.
> Band range low value found at low mark
> 1. 500 - 200 200.00 khz
> 2. 3.5 - 1.5 1.500 mhz
> 3. 6.0 - 3.5 3.447 mhz - .984%
> 4. 9.5 - 6.0 6.040 mhz .011%
> 5. 13.5 - 9.5 9.389 mhz -.988%
> 6. 18.0 - 13.5 13.485 mhz -.9%
> All spotted using the Frequency counter to monitor the HP8601A signal
> feed to the BC-348R.
>
> I purchased a GDO Millen 90651 tube type, of course! , to see if the
> coils meet published Q at rated frequency. In manual.
>
> So the GDO Millen 90651 is not acting correctly in my opinion. It goes
> from .15 ma to 1ma consistently no matter which coil is plugged in when
> rolling, tuning, from low to high frequency.
>
> Since Q = F1 / 2* (F1-F2)
> where F2 = 70.7% of F1
>
> So when the meter is around .15ma it is tough to :
> 1. Get or find a dip;
> 2. Find %70.7 / from the dip
> just a tad difficult?
>
> Since the coils are all good on the GDO. A signal is detectable on the
> radio. I was hoping for a pointer to a AH-HA problem, solution.....
>
>
> -Hutch
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:16:10 EDT
> From: WA5CAB at cs.com
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] [Boatanchors] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
> To: k2gkk at hotmail.com, macklinbob at msn.com,
> bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Cc: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <10eed1.1058741f.39d2b7fa at cs.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Technically, both of the ones Bob posted the item numbers of are either
> J-40's, J-45's or KY-116/U's, but incomplete. Although the leg iron of
> one may
> have originally been stenciled "J-45", which lets out the J-40 for it.
> All
> three key types consist of a J-37 key, a leg band with hinged mounting
> plate (band assembly has no nomenclature), and a cord terminated in a
> two-circuit 1/4" diameter plug. The cord on the J-40 c/o 60" of CO-79 and
> a PL-5
> plug. The cord on the J-45 is CD-201 or CD-201-A (which c/o 60" of CO-79
> plus a
> PL-55 plug). The cord on the KY-116/U is a CO-201-A with the CD-201-A
> band
> replaced by one that has KY-116/U stamped on it and in some cases the
> black
> plastic PL-55 sleeve replaced by one marked PJ-055B.
>
> Anyway, one of the two still has the cord mounting bracket attached, and
> would be the better one to buy. The cord can be made. The bracket would
> be
> more difficult. The chopped off cord in the bracket may also have the
> KY-116/U band on it or the seller probably wouldn't have known to mention
> that
> nomenclature.
>
> And Mac, I think my leg bands have shrunk, too. :-) Who'd've thought
> that
> steel would do that?
>
> In a message dated 9/27/2010 9:55:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
> k2gkk at hotmail.com writes:
>> Both look pretty much like the one I have had for over 45 years now!
>>
>> Mine still has what appears to be the original cord with its PL-55!
>> Plus considerable corrosion. Label on it is Lewyt 374.
>>
>> Sure fits my thigh a whole lot tighter than it did when I got it!
>>
>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>> ~ 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 ~
>> ~ (Since 30 Nov 53) ~
>> ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~
>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>>
>> * "An unarmed man can but flee *
>> * from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
>> * overcome by flight FROM it." *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: macklinbob at msn.com
>> >To: WA5CAB at cs.com; bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com;
>> milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
>> >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 19:24:35 -0700
>> >CC: boatanchors at mailman.qth.net
>> >Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
>> >
>> >Or this?
>> >
>> (http://cgi.ebay.com/Military-Radio-J-37-Telegraph-Code-Key-Knee-Mount-/270638211585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f034b6201)
>> >
>> >Bob Macklin
>> >K5MYJ
>> >Seattle, Wa.
>> >"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: <WA5CAB at cs.com>
>> >To: <bluebirdtele at embarqmail.com>; <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>> >Cc: <boatanchors at mailman.qth.net>
>> >Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:00 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [Boatanchors] [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
>> >
>> >
>> >>Greg,
>> >>
>> >>You are looking for a J-45. The key on it is a J-37. J-38 is a
>> >>completely different beast.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
> Robert & Susan Downs - Houston
> wa5cab dot com (Web Store)
> MVPA 9480
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:26:22 -0400 (EDT)
> From: jcoward5452 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Using GDO to check bc-348 coils.
> To: olegerityincj at austin.rr.com, Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <8CD2CD40EBE852C-18D4-7F84 at webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> And your problem is.....??????
> The radio works, enjoy it!
> This is a general coverage rx designed for average at best operators with
> a statistically short life span, sad to say.
>
> As for the sqeaky band, I had a similar situation with one that had a
> problem with "back lash" in the main tuning cap.Make sure the tuning cap
> is mechanically sound.And this would appear more or less on all bands.
> Also, I've had problems with those pesky trimmer ACP caps in the rf
> "boxes". Sometimes the retaining sleeve (looks like a nut but isn't)will
> fracture and now you have a variable Variable cap.This one took a day to
> figure out with a magnifying glass and a microscope! Actually you can
> lightly "poke" these with a tuning tool to see if they have a mechanical
> integrity problem.
>
> Good luck, these are fine receivers. I am useing my first that I got as a
> chassis from tech school back in the late '70's for 20 bucks. It's a "C"
> modified to "S" .We (college buddies) used to listen to AFRTS baseball
> games and watch the video on local TV.AFRTS was a second or two ahead of
> the local TV.Imagine the hilarity after a couple beers! It is fairly well
> restored now thanks to members of this and other related lists.
> Jay KE6PPF
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hutchins <olegerityincj at austin.rr.com>
> To: Milsurplus <Milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Mon, Sep 27, 2010 7:25 pm
> Subject: [Milsurplus] Using GDO to check bc-348 coils.
>
>
> All -
> Thanks for all the advice to get you all up to date where I am at in
> estoring my frist
> C-348R. Have replaced all the paper bypass caps, all but 6 .01 mica
> y pass caps.
> es even the sneaky .01uf in the BFO can. Checked all the RF/OSC micas
> hat feed the Tuning cap.
> ost were on the mark ~< 3% off of posted value. All caps checked with
> n LCR meter and RVAM for resistors.
> So tuned up the old beast using a HP8601A signal generator.
> After the tune up these are the symptoms of receiver; Band 6 18-13.5 Mc
> queaky, wobbly, tuning 13.5 - 14.0 bottom end. Low ends of 3 bands
> eem to be out of spec.
> For each band wanted to spot what the actual frequency was when setting
> o lowest setting for each band.
> and range low value found at low mark
> . 500 - 200 200.00 khz
> . 3.5 - 1.5 1.500 mhz
> . 6.0 - 3.5 3.447 mhz - .984%
> . 9.5 - 6.0 6.040 mhz .011%
> . 13.5 - 9.5 9.389 mhz -.988%
> . 18.0 - 13.5 13.485 mhz -.9%
> ll spotted using the Frequency counter to monitor the HP8601A signal
> eed to the BC-348R.
> I purchased a GDO Millen 90651 tube type, of course! , to see if the
> oils meet published Q at rated frequency. In manual.
> So the GDO Millen 90651 is not acting correctly in my opinion. It goes
> rom .15 ma to 1ma consistently no matter which coil is plugged in when
> olling, tuning, from low to high frequency.
> Since Q = F1 / 2* (F1-F2)
> here F2 = 70.7% of F1
> So when the meter is around .15ma it is tough to :
> . Get or find a dip;
> . Find %70.7 / from the dip
> ust a tad difficult?
> Since the coils are all good on the GDO. A signal is detectable on the
> adio. I was hoping for a pointer to a AH-HA problem, solution.....
>
> Hutch
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:27:23 EDT
> From: COURYHOUSE at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
> To: kk5f at arrl.net, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <48269.74b8645f.39d2c8ab at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> looks something like this...
>
>
> Goldwater - Here is something you might like for your museum. It is a
> military aviator's key. They would clip it on their leg and...
>
> see _http://www.smecc.org/rest_of_images/barry_1.gif_
> (http://www.smecc.org/rest_of_images/barry_1.gif)
> (dunno if listserv will pass photo so here in link)
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/27/2010 6:35:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> kk5f at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Greg wrote:
>
>>I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military leg key.
>
> That would be a J-45 (Pre-JAN Signal Corps nomenclature) or
> KY-116/U (JAN nomenclature).
>
>>Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied
>>with a J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that
>>allow it to lever over.
>
> The J-38 was only a Morse training key, never used in actual in-service
> radio installations. The J-37 is correct. A J-37 is part of both keys
> noted above.
>
> These keys show up fairly commonly on ebay and at hamfests.
>
> Mike / KK5F
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/27/2010 6:35:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> kk5f at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Greg wrote:
>
>>I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military leg key.
>
> That would be a J-45 (Pre-JAN Signal Corps nomenclature) or
> KY-116/U (JAN nomenclature).
>
>>Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied
>>with a J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that
>>allow it to lever over.
>
> The J-38 was only a Morse training key, never used in actual in-service
> radio installations. The J-37 is correct. A J-37 is part of both keys
> noted above.
>
> These keys show up fairly commonly on ebay and at hamfests.
>
> Mike / KK5F
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 00:40:46 EDT
> From: COURYHOUSE at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] WTB or WTT: Leg Key
> To: COURYHOUSE at aol.com, kk5f at arrl.net, milsurplus at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <487bd.75476ba4.39d2cbce at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> and yea.... the steel bands on mine seem to have shrunk also...seems to be
> a common class problem of this unit!
>
> someday when we get some more maiquens we can display this properly on
> leg rather than on shelf.
>
> Ed#
>
> In a message dated 9/27/2010 6:35:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> kk5f at earthlink.net writes:
>
> Greg wrote:
>
>>I'm looking to buy or trade for a standard US Military k leg key.
>
> That would be a J-45 (Pre-JAN Signal Corps nomenclature) or
> KY-116/U (JAN nomenclature).
>
>>Fits on the thigh with two spring steel bands. Typically supplied
>>with a J 38 telegraph key and the key is mounted on hinges that
>>allow it to lever over.
>
> The J-38 was only a Morse training key, never used in actual in-service
> radio installations. The J-37 is correct. A J-37 is part of both keys
> noted above.
>
> These keys show up fairly commonly on ebay and at hamfests.
>
> Mike / KK5F
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC
>
>
>
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>
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