[Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 71, Issue 39

Wed Mar 24 12:30:59 EDT 2010

Make that cumshaw not cumeshaw.  I had an extra e I was trying to get rid 
of.

John

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From: "jmfranke" <jmfranke at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 71, Issue 39

> In the Navy we called it cumeshaw.  The civilian term is Grand Larceny.
> There are strict rules:
> 1. Must not be for personal gain
> 2. Must not be an item in use by someone else, unless they have more than
> they need
> 3. Must be something that the bureaucrats are blocking you from having
> 4. ...
>
> Many a trade was made when the supply system failed!
>
> John  WA4WDL
>
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> From: "B. Smith" <smithab11 at comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 71, Issue 39
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>> I can personally attest that  a large percentage of ones spare time when
>> not
>> in actual combat is spent acquiring useful  and necessary  items through
>> unauthorized channels , such as  spare parts for combat equipment and
>> aircraft, unauthorized weapons, beer, food stuff, entertainment items,
>> comfort items,communication items,  not necessary in that order.  Each 
>> day
>> the procurement list priorities change.
>>
>> breck k4che
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Hanz" <aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org>
>> To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
>> Cc: "Al Klase" <al at ar88.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 71, Issue 39
>>
>>
>> | Not to minimize Hue's assessment (which I'll admit would seem perfectly
>> | reasonable in a rational world), but I was a SeaBee officer for a while
>> | - the SeaBees have always had a special relationship with the Marines
>> | because of their supply "liberation" abilities.  Judging from that
>> | experience, an ARB in the photo is not at all unexpected.  I was PWO at
>> | a Navy AN/FRD-10 HF/DF site in Panama for a couple of years back in the
>> | 1970s, and the Marine guard detachment there had carefully disguised a
>> | brand new R-390A in a cupboard in their ready room to listen to local
>> | cantina music.   I have a feeling that some of my SeaBees helped them
>> | build the cupboard...cough...  It was one of those things that we as
>> | officers simply turned a blind eye on, as long as it was for morale and
>> | there wasn't any profiteering going on.  In any case, I can assure you
>> | an R-390 was *not* in their TOA... :-)
>> |
>> | - Mike  KC4TOS
>> |
>> | Al Klase wrote:
>> | > Hue,  We you ever in the military? - Al
>> | >
>> | > On 3/24/2010 4:23 AM, Hue Miller wrote:
>> | >
>> | >>> How about a salvaged ARB from a Navy aircraft crash site?
>> | >>> Jim
>> | >>>
>> | >>>
>> | >>
>> | >>
>> | >>> We could say "impossible". 24 volts and control box cabling and a
>> local
>> | >>> control tuner would be tuff to come up with in the jungle.? Never
>> thought
>> | >>> about this particular issue before, but likely no gyrenes listened
>> to
>> | >>> Tokyo Rose unless stationed at some permanent base where they had
>> | >>> access to communications receivers.? -Hue Miller
>> | >>>
>> | >>>
>> | >>>
>> | >>
>> | >>
>> | >>> I'm with Jim on this one.  Entertainment and especially news are in
>> | >>> demand in a situation like that.  Personal radios were nearly no
>> | >>> existent.  You'd listen to whatever you could get working. 
>> Midnight
>> | >>> requisition  from a swabbie storeroom would not be out of the
>> question.
>> | >>>
>> | >>> Al
>> | >>>
>> | >>>
>> | >> My comment on above: Nonsense! Your fantasy! The gyrene grunts are
>> going to
>> | >> come
>> | >> up with 2 vehicle batteries, just happened to by lying around? They
>> raided
>> | >> an airfield
>> | >> repair shop? Right! Raid to steal clothes or food, fuel or tools,
>> anything.
>> | >> But wouldn't
>> | >> you think an  aircraft part might be pretty valuable at this time?
>> | >>
>> | >>
>> | >>
>> | >>> Being too cheap to buy the HBO or Showtime packages from direct TV 
>> I
>> will
>> | >>> just have to wait the six months or so till the series shows up on
>> History
>> | >>> channel. So can not speculate on anything about the radios on
>> "Pacific",
>> | >>> but do have a question about availability of radio equipment for 
>> the
>> MEF
>> | >>> on Guadalcanal. What would have used for the field operations for
>> that
>> | >>> period of time? Would it have been a Navy TBW? Had to be something
>> better
>> | >>> than a TBX. Maybe something like TBX/ MAB or DAV for short range 
>> and
>> TBW
>> | >>> for long range? Was the MAB and DAV ever used in a combat role?
>> Understand
>> | >>> that at Tarawa the TBX and TBY failed miserably and the jeep 
>> mounted
>> TCS
>> | >>> proved to be most useful. How were you supposed to net a TBX and a
>> TBY
>> in
>> | >>> the first place?
>> | >>>
>> | >>>
>> | >>
>> | >>
>> | >>> Also I have seen this story several times, this is from:
>> | >>> http://www.acepilots.com/usmc/hist8.html although I have seen this
>> | >>> referred to several other places too.
>> | >>> "On August 12, the field had 3,800 usable feet, 400 drums of
>> aviation
>> | >>> gasoline, and a captured Japanese radio which was used to transmit 
>> a
>> | >>> message that the field was "ready to receive fighters and
>> dive-bombers."
>> | >>> At this point, it was found that the transports bringing VMF-223 
>> and
>> | >>> VMSB-232 were being held up at Suva because of the action on the
>> 8th.
>> "
>> | >>> Or from:
>> | >>> http://www.microworks.net/PACIFIC/intelligence/allied_offensive.htm
>> | >>> "On 15 September, Chief Radioman James J, Perkins and RM3/c Joe
>> Jilson
>> set
>> | >>> up a High Frequency Direction Finder (HFDF) on Guadalcanal as the
>> first
>> | >>> increment of Station AL.  A captured Japanese transmitter was used
>> to
>> | >>> transmit bearings to NIT, the net control of the Strategic Pacific
>> HFDF
>> | >>> Net at FRUPAC in Hawaii, In addition to targets "flashed" by net
>> control,
>> | >>> bearings on local Japanese targets in the Solomons and New Britain
>> were
>> | >>> passed to local intelligence officers.  The only open space
>> available
>> was
>> | >>> on the Northwest corner of Bloody Ridge just after the 13 September
>> battle
>> | >>> there."
>> | >>> What was the Japanese equipment that was used and for how long?
>> Would
>> | >>> assume by the time the Army moved in they brought SCR-299 or 399
>> with
>> | >>> them.
>> | >>> Ray Fantini
>> | >>>
>> | >>>
>> | >>
>> | >>
>> | >>> In one of the 1945 (or maybe even 1944, forgot which month)there is
>> an
>> | >>> article with photos describing putting into service some Japanese
>> high
>> | >>> power HF transmitters which were found at the Japanese base after
>> the
>> | >>> island was taken by US forces. I'm not sure what island the article
>> is
>> | >>> dealing with, without looking again at the article.
>> | >>> I have to dig into my WW2 issues of QST find the article.
>> | >>> Even if the transmitters described were on another island, it'd be
>> | >>> reasonable to think that the affair was similar on Guadalcanal, and
>> | >>> possibly the same model Japanese transmitters involved.
>> | >>>
>> | >>> 73, Meir WF2U
>> | >>> Landrum, SC
>> | >>>
>> | >>>
>> | >> I'm not familiar with the QST article but possibly Radio News had 
>> the
>> same
>> | >> photos. Also I think one of the "Historical Division" monographs
>> | >> on the campaign showed the receiving equipment at receiver building
>> which
>> | >> was abandoned intact ( along with copious supplies of all
>> | >> kinds. ) The receiver pictured, if you have the TM-11-227-E ( is 
>> that
>> the
>> | >> right manual number, catalog of (some ) Japanese equipment ? )
>> | >> shows "Special Receiver 92", very large unit with numerous plug in
>> coils.
>> | >> The same manual shows 3 or so large transmitters, CW models,
>> | >> and you could bet this would be the transmitter used with the 92. 
>> One
>> | >> similar transmitter was found in later years still in a tunnel
>> | >> under Rabaul city and AFAIK is still there.  The same 92 receiver 
>> can
>> be
>> | >> seen at ChiChi Jima radio station in a photo in the fascinating
>> | >> -and harrowing - account in the book "Flyboys".  The 92, you could
>> think of
>> | >> it equating to "M1932" in our way of nomenclaturing, and
>> | >> from that you can understand its apparent ancient cumbersome design.
>> | >> I have also seen photo, also in Radio News, I think, of US troops
>> listening
>> | >> on a captured Japanese receiver (not the 92, but a
>> | >> regenerative one, I think - also had a real nice speaker with a 
>> Japan
>> Navy
>> | >> anchor design on it. )
>> | >> I just the other day came across some published photos of the ChiChi
>> Jima
>> | >> radio station building - still structurally intact - and the
>> | >> large metal tower antenna, which has been felled and slopes down the
>> steep
>> | >> hillside to the ocean - still very impressive appearing.
>> | >> -Hue Miller
>> | >>
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