[Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 71, Issue 39

Wed Mar 24 12:28:38 EDT 2010

In the Navy we called it cumeshaw.  The civilian term is Grand Larceny. 
There are strict rules:
1. Must not be for personal gain
2. Must not be an item in use by someone else, unless they have more than 
they need
3. Must be something that the bureaucrats are blocking you from having
4. ...

Many a trade was made when the supply system failed!

John  WA4WDL

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From: "B. Smith" <smithab11 at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:53 AM
To: "Milsurplus" <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 71, Issue 39

> I can personally attest that  a large percentage of ones spare time when 
> not
> in actual combat is spent acquiring useful  and necessary  items through
> unauthorized channels , such as  spare parts for combat equipment and
> aircraft, unauthorized weapons, beer, food stuff, entertainment items,
> comfort items,communication items,  not necessary in that order.  Each day
> the procurement list priorities change.
>
> breck k4che
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Hanz" <aaf-radio-1 at aafradio.org>
> To: <milsurplus at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: "Al Klase" <al at ar88.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Milsurplus Digest, Vol 71, Issue 39
>
>
> | Not to minimize Hue's assessment (which I'll admit would seem perfectly
> | reasonable in a rational world), but I was a SeaBee officer for a while
> | - the SeaBees have always had a special relationship with the Marines
> | because of their supply "liberation" abilities.  Judging from that
> | experience, an ARB in the photo is not at all unexpected.  I was PWO at
> | a Navy AN/FRD-10 HF/DF site in Panama for a couple of years back in the
> | 1970s, and the Marine guard detachment there had carefully disguised a
> | brand new R-390A in a cupboard in their ready room to listen to local
> | cantina music.   I have a feeling that some of my SeaBees helped them
> | build the cupboard...cough...  It was one of those things that we as
> | officers simply turned a blind eye on, as long as it was for morale and
> | there wasn't any profiteering going on.  In any case, I can assure you
> | an R-390 was *not* in their TOA... :-)
> |
> | - Mike  KC4TOS
> |
> | Al Klase wrote:
> | > Hue,  We you ever in the military? - Al
> | >
> | > On 3/24/2010 4:23 AM, Hue Miller wrote:
> | >
> | >>> How about a salvaged ARB from a Navy aircraft crash site?
> | >>> Jim
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>> We could say "impossible". 24 volts and control box cabling and a
> local
> | >>> control tuner would be tuff to come up with in the jungle.? Never
> thought
> | >>> about this particular issue before, but likely no gyrenes listened 
> to
> | >>> Tokyo Rose unless stationed at some permanent base where they had
> | >>> access to communications receivers.? -Hue Miller
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>> I'm with Jim on this one.  Entertainment and especially news are in
> | >>> demand in a situation like that.  Personal radios were nearly no
> | >>> existent.  You'd listen to whatever you could get working.  Midnight
> | >>> requisition  from a swabbie storeroom would not be out of the
> question.
> | >>>
> | >>> Al
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >> My comment on above: Nonsense! Your fantasy! The gyrene grunts are
> going to
> | >> come
> | >> up with 2 vehicle batteries, just happened to by lying around? They
> raided
> | >> an airfield
> | >> repair shop? Right! Raid to steal clothes or food, fuel or tools,
> anything.
> | >> But wouldn't
> | >> you think an  aircraft part might be pretty valuable at this time?
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>> Being too cheap to buy the HBO or Showtime packages from direct TV I
> will
> | >>> just have to wait the six months or so till the series shows up on
> History
> | >>> channel. So can not speculate on anything about the radios on
> "Pacific",
> | >>> but do have a question about availability of radio equipment for the
> MEF
> | >>> on Guadalcanal. What would have used for the field operations for 
> that
> | >>> period of time? Would it have been a Navy TBW? Had to be something
> better
> | >>> than a TBX. Maybe something like TBX/ MAB or DAV for short range and
> TBW
> | >>> for long range? Was the MAB and DAV ever used in a combat role?
> Understand
> | >>> that at Tarawa the TBX and TBY failed miserably and the jeep mounted
> TCS
> | >>> proved to be most useful. How were you supposed to net a TBX and a 
> TBY
> in
> | >>> the first place?
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>> Also I have seen this story several times, this is from:
> | >>> http://www.acepilots.com/usmc/hist8.html although I have seen this
> | >>> referred to several other places too.
> | >>> "On August 12, the field had 3,800 usable feet, 400 drums of 
> aviation
> | >>> gasoline, and a captured Japanese radio which was used to transmit a
> | >>> message that the field was "ready to receive fighters and
> dive-bombers."
> | >>> At this point, it was found that the transports bringing VMF-223 and
> | >>> VMSB-232 were being held up at Suva because of the action on the 
> 8th.
> "
> | >>> Or from:
> | >>> http://www.microworks.net/PACIFIC/intelligence/allied_offensive.htm
> | >>> "On 15 September, Chief Radioman James J, Perkins and RM3/c Joe 
> Jilson
> set
> | >>> up a High Frequency Direction Finder (HFDF) on Guadalcanal as the
> first
> | >>> increment of Station AL.  A captured Japanese transmitter was used 
> to
> | >>> transmit bearings to NIT, the net control of the Strategic Pacific
> HFDF
> | >>> Net at FRUPAC in Hawaii, In addition to targets "flashed" by net
> control,
> | >>> bearings on local Japanese targets in the Solomons and New Britain
> were
> | >>> passed to local intelligence officers.  The only open space 
> available
> was
> | >>> on the Northwest corner of Bloody Ridge just after the 13 September
> battle
> | >>> there."
> | >>> What was the Japanese equipment that was used and for how long? 
> Would
> | >>> assume by the time the Army moved in they brought SCR-299 or 399 
> with
> | >>> them.
> | >>> Ray Fantini
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>> In one of the 1945 (or maybe even 1944, forgot which month)there is 
> an
> | >>> article with photos describing putting into service some Japanese 
> high
> | >>> power HF transmitters which were found at the Japanese base after 
> the
> | >>> island was taken by US forces. I'm not sure what island the article 
> is
> | >>> dealing with, without looking again at the article.
> | >>> I have to dig into my WW2 issues of QST find the article.
> | >>> Even if the transmitters described were on another island, it'd be
> | >>> reasonable to think that the affair was similar on Guadalcanal, and
> | >>> possibly the same model Japanese transmitters involved.
> | >>>
> | >>> 73, Meir WF2U
> | >>> Landrum, SC
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >> I'm not familiar with the QST article but possibly Radio News had the
> same
> | >> photos. Also I think one of the "Historical Division" monographs
> | >> on the campaign showed the receiving equipment at receiver building
> which
> | >> was abandoned intact ( along with copious supplies of all
> | >> kinds. ) The receiver pictured, if you have the TM-11-227-E ( is that
> the
> | >> right manual number, catalog of (some ) Japanese equipment ? )
> | >> shows "Special Receiver 92", very large unit with numerous plug in
> coils.
> | >> The same manual shows 3 or so large transmitters, CW models,
> | >> and you could bet this would be the transmitter used with the 92. One
> | >> similar transmitter was found in later years still in a tunnel
> | >> under Rabaul city and AFAIK is still there.  The same 92 receiver can
> be
> | >> seen at ChiChi Jima radio station in a photo in the fascinating
> | >> -and harrowing - account in the book "Flyboys".  The 92, you could
> think of
> | >> it equating to "M1932" in our way of nomenclaturing, and
> | >> from that you can understand its apparent ancient cumbersome design.
> | >> I have also seen photo, also in Radio News, I think, of US troops
> listening
> | >> on a captured Japanese receiver (not the 92, but a
> | >> regenerative one, I think - also had a real nice speaker with a Japan
> Navy
> | >> anchor design on it. )
> | >> I just the other day came across some published photos of the ChiChi
> Jima
> | >> radio station building - still structurally intact - and the
> | >> large metal tower antenna, which has been felled and slopes down the
> steep
> | >> hillside to the ocean - still very impressive appearing.
> | >> -Hue Miller
> | >>
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