to do a search for various Usenet groups (or ftp's, vendors, web, listservers, etc) w/out going thru the subscription list for your email program try: http://www.tile.net/ -- Barry Tuttleman Carson City, Nevada industrial-related website: http://home.att.net/~btuttleman/barrysite.html electronics-related website: http://home.att.net/~btuttleman2/electron.html