[Milsurplus] Re: Milsurplus digest, Vol 1 #668 - 15 msgs
patrick jankowiak
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Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:51:35 -0700
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> 1. R-108/GRC ([email protected])
> 2. Re: R-108/GRC ([email protected])
> 3. Re: Info on Japanese sets wanted (Hue Miller)
> 4. New Groups: What a "Grate" Idea (David Stinson)
> 5. Re: New Groups: What a "Grate" Idea (Hue Miller)
> 6. ITEMS FOR SALE (Jay Coote)
> 7. Re: New Groups: What a "Grate" Idea (David Stinson)
> 8. Re: New Groups: What a "Grate" Idea (Hue Miller)
> 9. Intereesting manpack item (Robert Nickels)
> 10. Looking for a couple of PL-154's ([email protected])
> 11. Re: Intereesting manpack item ([email protected])
> 12. What era is a ME-61/GRC Field Strength Meter? (barry)
> 13. Re: What era is a ME-61/GRC Field Strength Meter? ([email protected])
> 14. Re: What era is a ME-61/GRC Field Strength Meter? (barry)
> 15. Re: New Groups: What a "Grate" Idea (Horace W. Hall)
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> Message: 1
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:32:09 EDT
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Milsurplus] R-108/GRC
>
> What does a power supply for an R-108/GRC look like? I found a
> receiver new-in-box with manuals. There wasn't a serial number, but elsewhere on
> the plate was a 63 stamped on it.
>
> Chuck
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> Message: 2
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:09:47 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] R-108/GRC
> To: [email protected], [email protected]
>
> Chuck,
>
> A rectangular box about 3x4x7 with an octal socket on one end and an
> extraction bail on the other. There are three, PP-281/GRC 12 Volt, PP-282/GRC 24 Volt
> and PP-448/GRC 6 Volt. The 24V is common, the 12V uncommon and the 6V rare.
> They plug into a rectangular pocket in the side of the receivers (R-108, 109
> and 110) and is also used in the AM-65/GRC. I have quite a few of the
> PP-282's but another list member is now the proud owner of the one and only PP-448 I
> ever saw and both of the PP-281's I had are now in a Jeep in Austin.
>
> If the receiver has a metal nameplate it is probably a Depot overhaul plate.
> Most of the units from that whole family of sets had decals instead of
> nameplates originally. And none were being made as late as 1963, expecially not
> R-108's as DOD gave up (or at least quit using) the 20-28 MC band around that
> time.
>
> In a message dated 8/30/2003 3:34:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
> > What does a power supply for an R-108/GRC look like? I found a
> > receiver new-in-box with manuals. There wasn't a serial number, but
> > elsewhere on
> > the plate was a 63 stamped on it.
> >
>
> 73
> Robert Downs - Houston
> <http://www.wa5cab.com>
> <[email protected]>
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> Message: 3
> From: "Hue Miller" <[email protected]>
> To: "Milsurplus" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Info on Japanese sets wanted
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:29:17 -0700
>
> "From: "Ben Nock" <[email protected]>
>
> I have posted my latest Japanese set on my web site:
>
> www.qsl.net/g4bxd/japanese.htm"
>
> The Japanese HRO ( Ground-Air Receiver type 01, "Chi Ichi" ),
> is that wood carry case HB or original?
>
> Say, on that recent auction of the Japanese "small HRO", isn't
> it odd that the Japanese buyer overwhelmed the seller ( naive )
> with a big offer, so the seller closed the auction and sold it
> directly to him, but then the receiver buyer did not bid on the
> matching transmitter, which went for a fair price? Seems odd.
> Actually, not very smart.
> Hue
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:51:58 -0500
> From: David Stinson <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> To: Old Tube Radios <[email protected]>,
> Milsurplus New mailman <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Milsurplus] New Groups: What a "Grate" Idea
>
> Well, now someone's starting a "Spy Radio" group, so there goes
> another subject I'll never know I was interested in.
> With all this fracturing and splintering of the "mil radio"
> community, I may as well get in there, too!
>
> I'm creating a "Boatanchor Screws" group on Ya-poot.
> When's the last time you saw a post on screws?
> That must mean that the existing community doesn't care
> about screws! I just know if I posted anything here where
> everybody could read it, nobody would say a thing since
> nobody here cares. But if I isolate myself off in a cyber-closet
> with me and the six other people interested in boatanchor
> screws, we're sure to get much more interest going, by golly!
> All those other "screwers" will just magically appear
> out of thin air.
> I'm certain to get lots of help and find lots of new screws
> off in some dark corner with a few dozen others,
> all posting the same stuff over and over.
> Why, look at the "MR** Digest" success. I'll bet they've
> had a dozen post in the last four MONTHS. That's the ticket!
> Or one of the WS "groups." Man, they have over 100 members!
> Nice for them. Too bad for the THOUSANDS of the rest of us, huh?
> Too bad I don't know a thing about that WS of theirs,
> since I DON'T SEE any of the posts. Too bad about the
> new guys that take up stamp collecting because they didn't
> know there was anyone else out there.
>
> And heavens!- if we all stay in a *community*
> where we can read each others posts,
> we might find out something *new*... Wouldn't that be terrible??
>
> So be sure to subscribe to the 1,238th "mil radio" splinter group,
> so you can be isolated and forgotten, too!
>
> (grumble grumble.......)
>
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> Message: 5
> From: "Hue Miller" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] New Groups: What a "Grate" Idea
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:52:19 -0700
>
> Dave, i understand your point perfectly. Next, we'll have a group
> on knobs used on Spy Radios. My initial response to seeing the
> post announcing the new group was the same as yours. Here we
> go again. ( Actually, altho i signed up, i still feel the same.)
> Plus, it's offensive as hell to have to put up with Yahoo's ad
> barrage - altho i confess, i do not have a viable alternative to
> offer.
> The only thing i can think, is that some people are hesitant to post
> minutiae about narrow topics, thinking that some irate grumpus
> will scream about "this thread has gone on too long", "waste of
> bandwidth" etc etc etc - all pure bullpoop, unless they're still using
> a Commodore 64 and cannot read the Subject line. Myself, i subscribe
> to a couple health-related lists that generate 10x the mail milsurplus,
> spy-radio, and No.19 set lists do, and i manage to delete the titles
> i don't care about, no problem.
> I have thought that perhaps posting to spy-radio is a waste of my
> time too. I have a limited supply of time - if i found an interesting book,
> or an article with an interesting fact - do i want to write a post for
> 20 people, or put it out there before hundreds? Do i want to write
> a long post for 20? 100? For example, in the real world, if i have some
> facts about the RS-6, do i want to post it to a list of 25 people, or
> throw it out before the crowd here? I dunno - i have not figured this
> out for myself. Sometimes i feel if i post something like this here,
> i get a "Say wot?" response. Dead air. Maybe most readers here
> really dig GRC-106's and PRC-74s and that's the extent of it. Maybe
> there should be, or already is, a dividing line between the "classics"
> and the stuff that (i feel) is just more contemporary ham gear, like
> SSB synthesized boat radios. Altho Starks' email MRG seemed to
> pretty well provide a home for the whole spectrum of interest.
>
> Actually, the now extinct Dennis Starks' list had some advantages
> over lists that were either so narrowly focused ( like the BC-348
> screws list ) or on the other hand, lists that are open to all comers,
> including the few people who cannot deal with posts longer than 3 lines.
> At least there, you knew the readers were pretty hardcore, and if not
> interested in some particular facet, at least respected those who were,
> and respected the research posted there. That's one thing i liked about
> his list: It was kinda like it was a list that could be called, "Research Into
> Military Communications". IF you wanted to post an article there about
> screws used in the BC-348, it was welcome, and nobody was afraid it
> would upset anyone else, and no one felt shy about posting such an
> article if they wanted. Sometimes i think the feeling here is it's like
> some ham dx-alert net: post your dx alert in 3 lines and clear. "There's
> a new Mk19 set on Ebay". "I have 3 T-24 to sell" Over and out.
>
> Also the non-democratic nature of Dennis's dictatorship had its
> advantages, in that for the most part, those who were booted out or
> disallowed to join, generally (not always, maybe ) deserved it.
> Regards, Hue Miller
>
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> Message: 6
> To: [email protected], [email protected]
> From: "Jay Coote" <[email protected]>
> Date: (No, or invalid, date.)
> Subject: [Milsurplus] ITEMS FOR SALE
>
> The following are for sale:
>
> HE251 headset $10
> M80C/U microphone $10
> LS454/U $20
> AT892/PRC-25 springs 3ea $10
> H250/U handsets 3ea $30
> AB15/GR mast bases good cond 2ea $30
> TA-1/PT phones w/case 3ea $70
> CX4720/VRC 4' cable $10
> CX4720/VRC 10' cables 2ea $20
> CX13089/VRC 4' cable $15
> PRC-126 7" whips 2ea $10
> AN/PRM-33 VHF wattmeter good cond $75
>
> Syntor chassis T74KXJ7J04BK 4ea $40/ea
> Syntor chassis T73KXJ7J04BK 1ea $40
> Syntor heads HCN1041C 2ea $20/ea
>
> Terms:
> Packaging and UPS shipping to USA addresses are added to cost.
> Syntor chassis and heads are untested and "as-is".
> Payment accepted via US Postal Service money orders only
>
> Thanks,
> Jay
> AAR9QM/W6CJ
> [email protected]
>
> Jay Coote
> Los Angeles
> Specialist in Technical Surveillance Countermeasures
> Lic: PI17926
> [email protected]
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:50:36 -0500
> From: David Stinson <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> To: Hue Miller <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] New Groups: What a "Grate" Idea
>
> Hue Miller wrote:
> >...
> > The only thing i can think, is that some people are hesitant to post
> > minutiae about narrow topics, thinking that some irate grumpus
> > will scream about "this thread has gone on too long", "waste of
> > bandwidth" etc etc etc - all pure bullpoop, unless they're still using
> > a Commodore 64 and cannot read the Subject line. Myself, i subscribe
> > to a couple health-related lists that generate 10x the mail milsurplus,
> > spy-radio, and No.19 set lists do, and i manage to delete the titles
> > i don't care about, no problem....
>
> Exactly.
> Some people are splintering off because of
> the complaints of a few malcontents.
> In any community, there are always a few immature "children"
> who think the list and everyone on it is their personal property.
> They complain "there's too many of this posts" or
> "you're wasting bandwidth"
> (a truly stupid complaint- if you dumped the entire milsurplus archives
> at once it would be like a drop in the ocean).
> The worst thing we can do is give them what they want by leaving.
> Such childish people should be ignored until
> they either grow up or leave- either way is fine.
>
> I can't tell you how many posts I simply
> don't read. I don't say anything because
> it ISN'T "MY" GROUP. It's a COMMUNITY.
> We do something nearly lost to modern man- we SHARE. Imagine that!
> You read what you like, I read what I like, and we all live happily.
> Occasionally, I see something I didn't know I liked... and get involved.
> Sometimes I need help, and a person not in "my area" will lend a hand.
> That's the reward I get for being in a community. Sharing and using
> my "delete" key is a very small price to pay for such a reward.
>
> This continual splintering into more and more specific groups
> is harmful to us all. I swear- I pull my hair out every time I
> hear someone else talk about taking their unique and valuable
> knowledge away from the rest of us, to hide out in some little "club."
> People can still have their specific-issue web sites,
> but share there experiance and posts here, where we can all benefit.
>
> I absolutely refuse to join any more mil-radio "splinter groups,"
> nor will I read or post to them.
> If I'm going to the effort to research and write about
> those things in "my area," I'm going to share them with
> the wider community on the "big tent" mail reflectors
> like [email protected] and [email protected],
> and perhaps the usenet board.
> D.S.
>
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> Message: 8
> From: "Hue Miller" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] New Groups: What a "Grate" Idea
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:13:05 -0700
>
> I think i can guess the lure of creating a new group:
> "Hey, let's start OUR OWN club". Maybe that's a
> holdover from the paper-publishing era, when you
> could take pride in publishing something, creating
> a new product. Something like this happened to SWL
> clubs, in the 1960s and 1970s, that i'm aware of:
> squables and such led to splinter groups and new
> smaller clubs. Now, they're all withering on the vine.
>
> In sum, as far as new subgroups, i just don't see the
> clear advantage. I mean, how many posts daily do
> milsurplus, 19-set list, and spy radio list generate?
> It sure isn't that many. If someone feels that the
> number of posts TOGETHER from all these lists is
> prohibitive, or overloads their computer or mind, i
> feel sorry for them, but they're better off with a rotary
> dial phone than a computer.
> As for website storage of articles and photos, that
> may be a different issue. That is clearly desirable.
> Hue
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Reply-To: "Robert Nickels" <[email protected]>
> From: "Robert Nickels" <[email protected]>
> To: "Mil Surplus List" <[email protected]>
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:07:57 -0500
> Subject: [Milsurplus] Intereesting manpack item
>
> Spotted at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2189795112&category=29833
>
> Not quite as loud but this could be the "backpack beachmaster"!
>
> 73, Bob W9RAN
>
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> Message: 10
> From: <[email protected]>
> To: "mil surplus" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "arc -5" <[email protected]>
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:33:18 -0500
> Subject: [Milsurplus] Looking for a couple of PL-154's
>
> Hello to the group.
>
> Would anyone have two extra PL-154's or PL-154A's that they would be =
> willing to part with? Or possibly know of a source for them? Any help =
> would be very much appreciated.
>
> Tnx fer the bandwidth,
> Brian wj0p
>
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> Message: 11
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:36:29 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] Intereesting manpack item
> To: [email protected], [email protected]
>
> Yep, the modern day Beachmaster. :-) The connectors puzzle me, though.
> They look like MILC 5015's, which I thought had gone out of favor 20-30 years
> ago.
>
> And building it to run off of 48 VDC and requiring an adaptor to run off of
> 24 VDC reminds me of the PE-97 and PE-117 mistake. Except that they fixed that
> one pretty quickly with the PE-120.
>
> In a message dated 8/30/2003 11:12:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
> > Spotted at
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2189795112&category=29833
> >
> > Not quite as loud but this could be the "backpack beachmaster"!
> >
>
> Robert Downs - Houston
> <http://www.wa5cab.com>
> <[email protected]>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:40:23 -0700
> From: barry <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Milsurplus] What era is a ME-61/GRC Field Strength Meter?
>
> tnx!
>
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> Message: 13
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:58:36 EDT
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] What era is a ME-61/GRC Field Strength Meter?
> To: [email protected], [email protected]
>
> ME-61/GRC was built for AN/GRC-9 (and it's two variants, AN/VRC-34 and
> AN/GRC-87). First appeared in TM 11-263 Change 3 dated 15 November 1960. Nice
> little unit. I have several, most of which seem to have FY 61 order dates (which
> at that time meant 01 July 1960 or later).
>
> Robert Downs - Houston
> <http://www.wa5cab.com>
> <[email protected]>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:39:01 -0700
> From: barry <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Milsurplus] Re: What era is a ME-61/GRC Field Strength Meter?
>
> where does the order date come from, the Order #? no dates that i can
> find on the unit? this one is a Spec Electronics manufactured unit w/
> Order # 4520-PP-60
> tnx,
> barry
> carson city, nv
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:00:34 -0400
> From: "Horace W. Hall" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] New Groups: What a "Grate" Idea
> To: MILSURPLUS List <[email protected]>
>
> David Stinson <[email protected]> said:
> >
> I absolutely refuse to join any more mil-radio "splinter groups," =
>
> nor will I read or post to them.
> >
>
> I understand the sentiment to not participate in the Balkanization of the=
>
> hobby's active members. On the other hand, if there are some who can take=
>
> the time to monitor the splinter groups, it seems it would be in the
> interest of the wider community to have 'an ear & a voice' in them. Those=
>
> monitors can direct attention to the larger community for the splinter
> members who might be unaware. They may also direct splinter members to th=
> e
> wider groups when the splinters begin to fail. It would have to be a 'lab=
> or
> of love' for the hobby, though.
>
> For my own opinion on messages, I would prefer a busy group where I might=
>
> have dozens of messages per day to skip & delete. For one thing, that tel=
> ls
> me that there is a good reservoir of experts for whatever problem I may
> come up with & need help. And with so much activity, there will almost
> always be some messages that I want to read, too. =
>
> --Wayne
> WB4OGM =
>
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