[MilCom] WAS KC-45 Bases; now F-117

Tue Mar 11 21:21:27 EST 2008

I'll jump in here and set the record straight about the F-117/F-22
transition...it IS happening and has been public knowledge for a while.  The
49th FW (the only wing to fly F-117s) will be transitioning to the F-22 in
June.  The official retirement ceremony for the F-117 takes place at
Holloman AFB, NM in April when the final two aircraft will be flown to
Palmdale, CA for demod and then storage at Tonopah Test Range in Nevada...

I wend and found an article from the Holloman AFB web site for some proof:

http://www.holloman.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123087819

by Lt Col Linda Haseloff 
49FW/PA

2/26/2008 - HOLLOMAN AFB, N.M.  -- Residents in the communities surrounding
Holloman Air Force Base may notice a periodic sonic boom starting now
through the end of April in preparation for the F-22 arrival. Holloman AFB
is expecting its first two F-22 aircraft in June 2008. 

The 49th Fighter Wing has developed a plan using T-38 aircraft to conduct
supersonic flights to familiarize the local communities to sonic boom noise
caused by supersonic flights. During the month of March, the T-38s will be
flying three supersonic flights a week over Alamogordo, Tularosa, and
Carrizozo. During the month of April, supersonic flights will begin over
Cloud Croft and Ruidoso. 

A sonic boom is an impulsive noise similar to thunder. It is caused by an
object moving faster than sound, about 750 miles per hour at sea level. An
aircraft traveling through the atmosphere continuously produces air-pressure
waves similar to the water waves caused by a ship's bow. When the aircraft
exceeds the speed of sound, these pressure waves combine and form shock
waves which travel forward from the generation or "release" point thus
creating the loud noise. 

Flying tactics of the F-22 will cause an increase in the number of sonic
booms heard in the local flying area. The Raptor's balanced design of
maneuverable stealth, super cruise, and integrated avionics, allow it to go
in virtually unnoticed and take out high-value targets both in the air and
on the ground. 

The F-22 gives us the ability to dominate in the air. Dominance in the air
enables everything else that we do -- on land, at sea, or in the air. 

If you have any questions on the sonic boom flights, contact the 49 FW
Public Affairs office at 575-572-7406. 

-----Original Message-----
From: milcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:milcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of Duane Mantick
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:02 PM
To: milcom at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [MilCom] WAS KC-45 Bases; now F-117

Well, I'll believe it when I see it.  :-)

Duane
WB9OMC

--- Don Edwards <warthog1 at citlink.net> wrote:

> I was told last year (that the F-117's would be
> replaced by  F-22's)  by an 
> F-117 Pilot.
> He also did say that they would probably keep a
> couple 117's around for 
> airshows this year.
> 
> 
> Don Edwards
> Northville, NY
> www.apex-aviation-photography.com
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jack L. Metcalfe" <jlmetcalfe at hughes.net>
> To: <milcom at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [MilCom] WAS KC-45 Bases; now F-117
> 
> 
> > At 10:38 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote:
> >>Excuse me gentlemen, what does this have to do
> with military radio 
> >>communications?  You guys can have all the
> opinions you want, but it is 
> >>just a opinion.  Wait for the facts and please
> take this private.  This is 
> >>not meant to start a war, just my opinion.
> >>Greg
> >
> > ---
> > What does this have to do with military radio
> communications?  Did you 
> > actually read the post?  Wait, I'll interpret it
> and it's actually quite 
> > simple.  The F-117s are due to be taken out of
> service in April, so you 
> > won't be able to hear (military radio
> communications) them any more. 
> > F-22s are said to be the F-117s replacements, so
> you might start hearing 
> > (military radio communications) them instead of
> the F-117s.  Duane thinks 
> > (comments snipped to get to the point) F-22s as
> replacements for F-117s 
> > just doesn't add up & suggests listening (military
> radio communications) 
> > for possibly something entirely different.  If
> that doesn't pertain to 
> > military radio communications, I'll eat my MILCOM
> hat....even though I 
> > don't have one.  Better than that, maybe Larry Van
> Horn can chime in here, 
> > after all, MILCOM is his baby.  If Larry says it's
> off topic and all we 
> > should be posting are control tower frequencies
> from Alaska, then I 
> > promise to go away forever....
> > ---
> >
> >>Duane Mantick wrote:
> >>>--- "Jack L. Metcalfe" <jlmetcalfe at hughes.net>
> wrote:
> >>><snip>
> >>>
> >>>>Change of subject, catch your F-117s while you
> can. The remaining F-117s 
> >>>>will be placed into "recallable" storage at
> >>>>Holloman AFB next month.  Of the original 59
> F-117s, 7 were destroyed 
> >>>>(one in combat) 10 were retired in FY 2007 & the
> remainder will go
> >>>>this FY.  Holloman may be flying the F-22 as a
> replacement.
> >>>>-------------------
> >>>>Jack L. Metcalfe
> >>>>Stanford, KY
> >>>>jlmetcalfe at hughes.net
> >>>>-------------------
> > ---
> > Comment edited:
> >
> >>>Jack - replacing the F-117 with F-22 is unlikely
> - so
> >>>far as I can tell, the F-22's original F/A
> designation
> >>>
> >>>indication, at least of training missions....but,
> I
> >>>did speculate that good refuelled range may have
> been
> >>>a design characteristic.  Listening for "the
> unusual"
> >>>in odd places might be of value......
> >>>Duane
> >
> >
> >
>
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