[MilCom] Monitoring & "Body of Secrets"

[Don Munson]

I didn't read "Deep Black" but I did read the submarine book (and frankly -
I'm like you - don't remember the name).  And, while it seems like
equivocating, I can't comment in detail.  I do tend to take ALL of those
types of books with a grain of salt but in light of what I do know and did
have access to.  Many of them are a lot of open source material that is spun
together.  

While I can not directly comment as to the authors past (I can on Bam ford's
because I know what his rate was and what they had access to and what they
did on a routine basis I do put it in light of WHY would they write "true
secrets".  Bottom line of the ramble is that there are pieces of the story
that ring true to my experiences and pieces that could very well be
stretches.

By the way - my position and feelings about BAMFORD are that I NEVER saw an
admin person on my ops floor taking an interest in what was actually
happening - either in the field or elsewhere!) However, he wrote enough
innuendo that had a basis in fact that the agency had everyone (including
the military) sign non-publication agreements.  Take that for what its worth
as offered.  A lot of his thread tying was blatant falsehood and others ....
Well I don't like the guy. Nuff said.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: milcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:milcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of Duane Mantick
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:54 PM
To: MilCom at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [MilCom] Monitoring & "Body of Secrets"

Don, I'm curious - what's your opinion of "Deep Black" and whatever-the-heck
the name of that book about our "spy-submarine" adventures was...  ????

Duane

--- Don Munson <w4gfq9 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Do NOT believe half of what that guy writes.  I retired from the 
> community and most of what he writes is innuendo.  It is no different 
> than an admin assistant writing about what goes on in the factory 
> floor.
> 
> Don
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: milcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:milcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 6:54 PM
> To: MilCom
> Subject: [MilCom] Monitoring & "Body of Secrets"
> 
> Recently purchased James Bamford's "Body Of Secrets"
>  -- Anatomy of the
> Ultra-Secret National Security Agency (copyright April 2002)  (In the 
> distant past I've also purchased & read Bamford's "The Puzzle Palace", 
> which was the first book on the National Security Agency).
> 
> I've only read so far up to page 127 of 763 pages (pages 661 and 
> onward are cross references notes to other material reference sources, 
> as well as a comprehensive index).
> 
> So far I'm very intrigued by this book as it relates to communications 
> & signal intelligence history to include collection 
> platforms/equipment, the players, and the tactical & strategic users 
> of the information.  I'd recommend reading the book to all hobbyists.
> 
> So are hobbyists efforts to monitor & post their findings (loggings) 
> to this list of some benefit to the NSA and or the military services' 
> COMSEC & OPSEC program monitors?
> 
> Ken
> Monitoring Location:  Vicinity KCEF
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
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