FLIP Information Restrictions Implemented! Re: [MilCom] NGA Link

[Larry Van Horn, N5FPW]

The short answer here is the site has not gone away cause the final 
descision has not been made. It is still there as normal. Problems and 
service interruptions have been a common place with this site for several 
years now. They are especially common over weekends. In fact, about two 
weekends prior to the impending Oct 1 deadline the site went down and I 
thought they had dumped it early.

In fact, the final decision to withdraw the publications from the public is 
in the final stages of the decision making process. I know they received 
some comments, I wrote them direcly and my Congressman also contacted them, 
but I feel it may not be enough here to save this resource.

With over 1000 folks on this list if everyone of you had at least written a 
response when we first posted this call to arms last year, we would probably 
not have this problem.  But like many of the issues facing this hobby over 
the years (ECPA 1986, Anti-Scanner legislation etc) apathy on the part of 
listeners runs rampant. I know if folks pick up the pen instead of 
complaining on the list, we doi get a lot more done and it can work.

So bottom line, if you didn't write a comment or contact your fed elected 
rep last year, and we lose this resource, look no further than the mirror 
for someone to blame. Oh yea, it wasn't published just here on Milcom many 
times by Ken, me and others, we also had it in MT and PopComm also had 
coverage so the word was out there. No excuses folks.


Larry Van Horn, N5FPW
Milcom Founding Father



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "N3BXV" <n3bxv at verizon.net>
To: "MilCom" <milcom at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: FLIP Information Restrictions Implemented! Re: [MilCom] NGA 
Link


> Guys, I guess we just had to wait for the NGA computer geeks to come in on 
> Monday morning.
> The updated files are available at 
> https://164.214.2.62/products/digitalaero/index.cfm
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken" <rfinder1 at verizon.net>
> To: "MilCom" <milcom at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:53 AM
> Subject: FLIP Information Restrictions Implemented! Re: [MilCom] NGA Link
>
>
>> Jack & the group
>>
>> Yes, it looks like it is gone.  If the publications (digital as well as 
>> hardcopy) are designated "For Official Use Only" it means that they will 
>> be unavailable for public review.  It would also subject military 
>> personnel &/or civil service personnel to disciplinary (criminal?) action 
>> IF they give outdated copies of the FLIPs to unauthorized personnel.
>>
>> I would guess that this is going to give a "challenge" to the monitoring 
>> hobby.  It's going to involve a lot of monitoring to find a very large 
>> group of selected frequency changes:
>> *Air Route Traffic Control (UHF)
>> *Air Refueling Tracks
>> *Approach/Depature Control (UHF)
>> *Command Posts (including Callsigns)
>> *Common/Special Purpose (freqs)
>> *Flight Following
>> *Operations (ANG, Army Aviation Support, ARNG, etc..  including 
>> callsigns)
>> *PMSV Metro (Weather)
>> *PTD/Base Operations
>> *Range Operations
>>
>> Did I miss any?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jack Nesmith" <jnesmith2 at cfl.rr.com>
>> To: "MILCOM" <MILCOM at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 9:26 AM
>> Subject: [MilCom] NGA Link
>>
>>
>>>I attempted to open the NGA link! Page not available,have we been cut 
>>>off??
>> snip..snip..
>>
>>
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