[MilCom] Black Projects Aircraft Radio CommunicationsTheories? RE: X

[Larry Van Horn, N5FPW]

Steve Douglass wrote:
> frequencies such as "WINCHESTER" 303.000 MHz or MAGNUM, 357.000 MHz.

Mercy, mercy, mercy me. Here we go again. For the one thousand time, "there 
are no military designators "Winchester" and  "Magnum" Steve. Never have 
been in use as far as I can determine.

So I will renew my offer I have made on this list since I formed it several 
years ago. I have a free one year MT Express sub to the first person who has 
a recording electronic or otherwise of any military pilots using the 
designators above over the air referring to the two freqs above.

So far in the 25 years I have been on the MT staff and 23 years of working 
in military aviation I have NEVER seen these two and several of the other 
bogus designators in use or reported within an actual intercept.  It has 
cireculated on many list on and off the internet over the years, but NO ONE 
on this list or elsewhere has ever reported hearing these bogus designators 
in use over the air.

As I have written here on this list and in the pages of MT there are NO 
Winchester, Magnum and other junk designators that is floating around the 
net.

Folks they fanstasies don't exist and should not be used unless the poster 
actually heard the pilots use the designators during the conversation. No 
sense in promulgating junk on this list please. That was a rule when I 
started this list and I would appreciate that rule staying in place, please.

Have fun out there, 73 and good hunting all,

Larry Van Horn, N5FPW
Milcom Founding Father


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken" <rfinder1 at verizon.net>
To: "Larry Van Horn" <n5fpw at brmemc.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:29 PM
Subject: Comments? Fw: [MilCom] Black Projects Aircraft Radio 
CommunicationsTheories? RE: X


> Hmmm...
> I guess that "Winchester" & "Magnum" thing just aren't going away!!!!!
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> Ken
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Douglass" <webbfeat at 1s.net>
> To: <milcom at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 6:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [MilCom] Black Projects Aircraft Radio Communications 
> Theories? RE: X
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>> Most "slips" hinting that classified type is flying occur on informal 
>> air-to-air chat channels (both military and civil) usually from civilian 
>> pilots having seen something he can't identify (and not able to resist 
>> the urge to tell someone) or the military pilots themselves chatting on 
>> frequencies such as "WINCHESTER" 303.000 MHz or MAGNUM, 357.000 MHz.
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>> Although intercepts of this sort can be revealing, the pilots are careful 
>> to keep from spilling all the beans by blabbing official aircraft 
>> designations, such as "I'm flying an Aurora, ain't it cool?"
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>> Therefore, even though I have monitored communications of these types on 
>> several occasions, I always report them as being suspect in nature, 
>> unless it is accompanied by a sighting or photograph from a reliable 
>> source.
>>
>> _Steve Douglass
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