[Meteor-Scatter] Perseids and operating procedures!

Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:26:43 -0000

I like the idea of the CQ+nn and CQ-nn...It's not meaninful to use the HSCW letter system in FSK441 where LPM is not a concern.

..the problem could be the large number of MS newcomers that are not familiar for the CQ+QSY method.  This should be clearly
explained by all ways so that everyone understand how to answer a "CQ+nn" (or how to proceed after calling CQ). .. Something that is
obvious to any HSCW operator but I am afraid that not so clear to most SSB operators that are those getting hooked nowadays by
FSK441.

73. Gabriel - EA6VQ
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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Meteor-Scatter] Perseids and operating procedures!

Hi all,

Summing up the ideas from the past emails on this topic on this
reflector and and given the advantage in transfer rate of characters
FSK441 has against HSCW I suggest the following: Just add the frequency
shift in real figures into the CQ call, for example:

"CQ +12 DF2ZC CQ +12 DF2ZC..."

If I called CQ on 144,370, this means I'd listen and QSY to 144,382.

This could even work the other way around:

"CQ -10 DF2ZC CQ -10 DF2ZC..."

So I'd QSY to 144,360 then.

The QSY is always relative to the tx frequency.

In contrast to the procedure from HSCW this would (hopefully!!!) also
indicate to newcomers where to QSY. That is where I see the problem,
not with the experienced MS people using FSK441.

LY2BIL was copied perfectly here calling "CQ QSY 363 LY2BIL" in
perseids, this worked fine.

Outside major showers people could call CQ just the normal way without
indicating a QSY frequency, if they want - just like on HSCW. Though,
I'd
suggest to always enter a QSY frequency to prevent QRM.

hw?

73 Bernd
www.df2zc.de

Goran ANDRIC, S55OO.com schrieb:
> Hi all!
>
> I agree that would be good to make some procedure for
> split CQ and here is
> my suggestion. At least for EU standard...
>
> CQ62 S50C CQ62 S50C -> which means that we listening on
> 144.362
>
> and
>
> CQ78 S50C CQ78 S50C -> We listen on on 144.378
>
> Why this is better then CQ -H S50C and CQ H S50C or CQD8
> and CQU8. It is
> easier for every one to shift and same amount of data i
> guess.
>
> Your opinions are vy welcome!
>
> 73 de Goran ANDRIC, S55OO.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hannu/OH6MAZ" <[email protected]>
> To: "Meteor Scatter mailing list"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:31 AM
> Subject: [Meteor-Scatter] Perseids and operating
> procedures!
>
>
> > Hello all ping-jockeys!
> >
> > Perseids are over for this year and we'll have to
> settle for sporadic
> rocks
> > and/or wait for the next big one.
> >
> > General opinion tends to be that Perseids this year may
> not have been what
> > was expected. Though on the other hand I was a bit
> surprised about the
> > amount of stations in .370 and neighbourhood.
> >
> > There has been a lot of discussion and debate about
> what is the best and
> > ultimate real meteorscatter operating mode. I myself
> will continue working
> > them all (SSB/HSCW/WSJT) but I suspect that WSJT will
> take time from SSB,
> > since I have found out I'm not very good on SSB. Also I
> tend to think that
> > the really weak ones come better on HSCW.
> >
> > There has been lot of comparing operating practices
> (WSJT/SSB/HSCW). In
> all
> > these modes people tend to stick on the calling
> frequency, though most
> > tranceivers now have vfo-knob that is quite easy to
> use. In HSCW there is
> a
> > practice where 144.100 is used only for calling and
> then both stations
> move
> > up to make the QSO. Unfortunately not all stations use
> this procedure. In
> > SSB too many stations stick to 144.200 and in WSJT it
> was almost useless
> to
> > try to call CQ outside 144.370.
> >
> > There has been a suggestion that we should start using
> the same procedure
> in
> > WSJT than in CW to indicate the frequency shift. So CQA
> would mean +1kHz
> up
> > and CQE +5kHz up (How to indicate negative shifts?).
> But why should we use
> > the letters, why not indicate the shift itself (CQ 2UP
> or CQ 3DWN)?
> Whatever
> > the way is, we should agree on the procedure and then
> advertize it in
> local
> > ham-magazines and web. Without shift the result this
> year was that a few
> big
> > guns ( or stations with good locations) seemed to
> dominate the bursts and
> > the weak ones were left under them.
> >
> >
> > There was another issue that I also would like to raise
> up. It seemed to
> me,
> > that many (nonexperienced?) stations wanted to make
> only fast and easy
> qso:s
> > causing lot of fuss on the band. What I mean is that
> when they heard a CQ
> > they answered the proper way. OK, I heard them calling
> me and begun to
> send
> > calls+raport. After sending that for couple of periods
> I get a burst of
> the
> > same station forgetting me and calling CQ.  These guys
> have not understood
> > that even if you don't hear another station for 5
> minutes, he may still be
> > there trying to make the QSO. Though I must confess
> that I spoiled one QSO
> > myself thinking that the other end had already got my
> final RRR's and went
> > downstairs for tea and sandwitches. After coming back
> to my radios I heard
> > the other end still sending me RRR. 'Oooppss' I thought
> and sent a few
> > periods of RRR73MAZ and the QSO was complete. Sorry!
> >
> > But all in all - MS is fun! It was great to make 1700km
> QSO with stations
> > running only 20Wtts. Perseids brought me two new DXCC:s
> this year (GW and
> > HB9) even if I had to go to work for monday. I did not
> manage to complete
> > the almost 2200km HSCW sked, but at least we tried. I
> did not work a
> single
> > QSO on SSB this year. I'll look forward seeing you
> during weekends on
> > sporadics and wish you gl and a lot of nice contacts
> via MS!
> >
> > Hannu/OH6MAZ
> >
> >
> >  ---
> >  Hannu Forsstr�m (OH6MAZ)
> >  mailto: [email protected]
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> >
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