[MarinTeams] Monday Evening CERT On-Air Practice Tonight

Wed Jun 25 12:50:12 EDT 2008

Hi Don, I also wish you had experience our first Radio communications we
had with made up emergency practices and see the chaos that emerged as
everyone was attempting to reach net control. Net control could be
anyone in the area not necessarily a CERT member and for us to work
based on familiar voices it would be very hard to set order and sequence
of communications especially when central command has no idea who you
are. The call sign protocol, for me passionately it allowed me to
monitor the air for the opening of each communication call sign,
example: 

AB6MT this is KI6IYI  

And I KI6IYL know that AB6MT is about to response while KI6IYI is
monitoring for a response. And I monitoring for a sign-out of that
communication.

This particular important especially because I could turn my radio on at
the middle of the communication and not know the sequence as to who is
talking to who.

I Hope this help you visualized the process and importance of given call
sign at the opening of every communication and not randomly. 

Sincerely,  

Saul Godinez
Family Programs
Canal Alliance
Phone 415-454-2640 ext 341
Direct line 306-0441
Fax 454-3967
KI6IYL
SaulG at Canalalliance.org
www.Canalalliance.org

Canal Alliance - Developing self-sufficiency and leadership for a
healthier community.

-----Original Message-----
From: marinteams-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:marinteams-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bubba22 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:17 PM
To: marinteams at mailman.qth.net; fischer at igc.org
Subject: Re: [MarinTeams] Monday Evening CERT On-Air Practice Tonight

Hi Don,
Add my voice to Bill's. If we don't have a set, practiced protocol now,
we will be likely to get caught up in the emotion of the moment during a
disaster. We need to be able to click into business mode to take care of
what comes. Hysterical radio operators would be inefficient and
incapable of providing the service we are working to provide. Yes, we
repeat. Yes, it sounds somewhat strange. But when the time comes we will
be ready.
Thx,
Vicki
KI6IYN

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Smith <hbco2 at sbcglobal.net>
To: Neighborhood Emergency Volunteers in Marin County,  CA. 
<marinteams at mailman.qth.net>; 'Michael Fischer' <fischer at igc.org>
Sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: [MarinTeams] Monday Evening CERT On-Air Practice Tonight

Don,

There are lots of assumptions regarding communications and many factors
that crop up during emergencies.  We are not exercising radios, we are
taking efforts to prepare for a real emergency.

CERT Radio members have graduated from the CERT program, are taking
advanced classes, are learning and using ICS, and have adopted a
standard radio communications protocol.  We are making every effort to
conform with what other emergency responders are doing, including
practicing what has been developed and tested under stressful
conditions.

Casual conversation and made-up communications have been tried in the
past and found to invite chaos.  We need to be able to communicate
accurately and quickly and handle a number of simultaneous, unrelated
conversations using limited information channels.

Remember, too, we are training in our practice nets.  If you take a look
at the protocol, you'll find that it need not be as awkward as you might
hear in our exercises.  Our exercises are purposefully repetitive and
detailed.
If you have listened carefully, you will find that individuals who were
struggling are now conversing with rhythm.

As our skills develop, we believe we will be able to deliver a valuable
communications resource.  We hope you'll continue to learn the protocol
and join us in this effort.

73 de Bill, AB6MT
hbco2 at sbcglobal.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Magdanz" <don at olsinc.com>
To: "'Neighborhood Emergency Volunteers in Marin County, CA.'"
<marinteams at mailman.qth.net>; "'Michael Fischer'" <fischer at igc.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: [MarinTeams] Monday Evening CERT On-Air Practice Tonight

I think that Michael has a point. I know most of the voices on the air,
and giving the 2 call signs every once in awhile seems logical. That's
what I am doing; I guess everybody can have their own style on this one.

Don Magdanz
On Line Solutions, Inc.
1537 Fourth St., #173
San Rafael, CA 94901
don at olsinc.com
415-258-0242 work

-----Original Message-----
From: marinteams-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:marinteams-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Smith
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:19 PM
To: Michael Fischer; 'Neighborhood Emergency Volunteers in Marin County,
CA.'
Subject: Re: [MarinTeams] Monday Evening CERT On-Air Practice Tonight

By the way, your opinion is not all that unusual, I once held it myself.
With practice, I've grown to understand the reasons for using the
protocol.
I think that can be also said by the members of CERT Radio.

73 de Bill, AB6MT
hbco2 at sbcglobal.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Fischer" <fischer at igc.org>

> Say, what's with this kindergarten-style callout on each and every 
> transmission, mentioning first the called station, then the calling
station?
> It seems stilted, unnecessary, pedantic, even ludicrous--

> Cordially,
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Fischer K6MLF and co-leader, Division 5 Mill Valley CERT
> 131 Bolsa Avenue
> Mill Valley, CA 94941-1101
> 415 383 5855
> 415 519 2201 cell
> 415 578 8773 work iPhone

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