> I would hate to have to give them up. Have you actually tried either of them in your Win8.1 box? I'm using the latest version of Spectran in both a laptop and an older desktop under WinXP with no issues. I can't see why you would expect troubles with a newer OS. 73, J.B., VE3EAR LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 EN93dr