[Lowfer] AC utility meter data signal

[Scott Tilley]

Hi Clint

Thank-you for this perspective and the time to articulate it as it was 
very helpful to understand some of the technologies in play presently.

Can anyone else add their experiences?

Thanks,
Scott


On 2/10/2011 8:00 PM, Clint Turner wrote:
> Last I checked, the Turtle was made by Hunt Technologies.
>
> Paul Hunt is a ham, btw - WB0DAA.
>
> IIRC, the turtle works by modulating the power factor at a rate slightly
> different from the line frequency.  This modulation is extracted at the
> power company end (which could be many miles away) and serially-decoded
> using UNB techniques - that is, only a few bits per hour.  Every
> customer gets a unique frequency (w/relation to the powerline freq) and
> in the simplest message, it is the meter count that is transmitted.  It
> can take many hours to send a message - but if you only bill monthly,
> then who cares.
>
> It is also used to observe power failures as a loss of carrier can be
> detected fairly quickly - and if properly configured and interfaced with
> the SCADA, the extent of the outage - and its likely source - can be
> determined.
>
> My boss (who is WA7X - Google the call if you are interested) has one of
> these at his cabin and during the many times that we've operated from
> there we've not noticed any obvious hash on HF, or on what little LF
> I've listened to from that site - but then again, power is underground
> and the meter is hundreds of feet away from the cabin.  (It would be fun
> to put a grabber up there...)
>
> We've tried to detect the modulation but with the detection point being
> upstream, it just doesn't work - at least not with anything we've tried
> yet...  (Yes, I tried a bunch of things although I didn't connect to the
> "utility side" of the power meter...)
>
> Clint
> KA7OEI
>
>
>
> Scott Tilley wrote:
>> Hi Dex
>>
>> Can you look at the meter and send me any information that would
>> identify who made it ?  A picture would be nice :-)
>>
>> Does your utility offer any online information about their smart meter
>> program?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>> VE7TIL
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2011 7:01 PM, Howell, Laurence J wrote:
>>
>>> Looks awful - managed to persuade utility to remove my Turtle which gave pulses across LF with an analogue which is read Manually - more houses coming up nearby so I'm sure it will get worse. I am going to see if I can shunt some of it by decoupling using some 660VAC 13uF's - may get some complaints!
>>>
>>> Laurence
>>>
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>>> Subject: [Lowfer] AC utility meter data signal
>>>
>>> I just uploaded a spectrum display of my utility meter transmitting it's
>>> data.  It appears most of the energy is around 4 kHz but the
>>> transmission can be heard well up into the AM BC band.  Maybe higher.
>>> I've been trying different antenna configurations trying to detect other
>>> meter transmissions in the area.  This evening I was able to detect at
>>> least a dozen.  Fortunately most are very weak.  Only the one on my
>>> house and another on my property creates significant QRM.
>>>
>>> http://www.w4dex.com/misc/ac_utility_meter_data.jpg
>>>
>>> Dex
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