Pete, >I live in the mountains of Va. When I stamp my foot, >the depression fills with water. That's unfortunate, generally the ground conductivity really drops when the ground freezes. The wetter the ground the lossier it is at LF. 73 Warren K2ORS 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1