[Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion

Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:31:54 -0500

At 19:36 1/8/2004 , Greg Hodsdon wrote:
>I don't understand all of the "head scratchin" over this issue.
>Why be concerned what the various contest sponsers have for
>multipliers and whether it conforms to the postal codes or LOGic?

Sorry, but the head scratching is why the League is so inconsistent in there
treatment of Canada !!!

>Just edit your List of Valid Values in LOGic to conform to the current
>Postal Code.  If there is imported data from a contest program
>that does not match, just edit it manually.  It might take all
>of sixty seconds to do.  After all, how many Nunavut stations are
>there in a typical contest?

Typically about ZERO NU contacts seeing that there are only 18 licenses
issued in Nunavut and 8 of them are in the are in the town of Iqaluit !!!

>A bigger issue along these similar lines are the very outdated
>JCC, JCG, DXCC, Russian oblast, etc entries in the prefix table
>and list of valid values.
>But that's another story.

Yes, your right, that's another battle !!!

>73 de Greg, K7KJ

73
Bob, K1VU

>Greg Hodsdon
>Portland, OR
>[email protected]
>http://www.qsl.net/k7kj
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Bradford J. Williams - N8GLS" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:06 PM
>Subject: RE: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
>
>
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > Sorry, but I think were all beating a dead horse.  The responses I got=
 back
> > from the ARRL stack-up like this:
> >
> > The ARRL Sections have nothing to do with contests.
> > Several contests "conveniently" use the ARRL Section list as=
 multipliers.
> > The multiplier abbreviations will be "whatever works".  There is nothing=
 in
> > the rules that says they have to follow US or Canadian postal=
 abbreviations.
> > There is no reason to change anything as it has not been a problem in=
 many
> > years, and is well ingrained among thousands of contesters.
> >
> > So, it boils down to this.  In the eyes of the ARRL, there are 14=
 Provinces
> > in Canada, period......forget the fact that there are 13, it doesn't=
 matter
> > because they are "just" multipliers.  Now, there are three ARRL contests
> > that treat Canadian "provinces" as multipliers (I should have said=
 ARRL's
> > "view" of what Canada's provinces are), they are ARRL Int'l DX,=
 10-Meter,
> > and RTTY Round-up.  For these contests, the multipliers are AB, BC, LB,=
 MB,
> > NB, NF, NS, NU, NWT, ON, PEI, QC, SK, and YT.
> >
> > Now, this leaves those contests that "conveniently" use the ARRL=
 Sections as
> > multipliers, they are the 160 Meter contest and the November=
 Sweepstakes,
> > for them the multipliers are AB, BC, MAR, MB, NL, NT, ON, QC, and SK.
> >
> > So for any other contests, your at the mercy of yourself, your
> > logging/contest software maker, or a reflector like this one to find out=
 how
> > to handle the inconsistent use of multiplier rules and abbreviations. =
 For
> > LOGic I will undo what I did last week and go back to VE Provinces that
> > match the above.  That way at least the major contest logforms will=
 still
> > work.
> >
> > Until I or someone else can figure a way to pull multiple variations out=
 of
> > a list of valid values I'll wait to do anything else.
> >
> > 73, de Brad, N8GLS
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> > Behalf Of R Johnson
> > Sent: Thursday, 08 January, 2004 4:43 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
> >
> >
> > Below are the extracts from the ARRL sponsored contests showing the CAN
> > multipliers.
> > These are taken from the Contest Rules on the ARRL Web Site.
> >
> > This lack of consistency is creating much confusion amongst Contesters=
 and
> > the Authors
> > of Contest Programs.
> >
> > I fail to see why we can not use the use the 13 multipliers as defined=
 by
> > the
> > standard CAN Postal abbreviations.
> > NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NT
> > (VE8), NB (VE9)
> > NL (VO1,VO2), NU (VY=D8), YT (VY1), PE (VY2).
> >
> > Other contests such as RAC Canada Day, RAC Winter and NCJ's NAQP and=
 Sprint
> > all use
> > the 10 Provinces and 3 Territories to give 13 multipliers.
> >
> > The League seems to be out of step with everyone else (MY opinion) !!!!
> > While they as the Contest Sponsors, can define things the way they want,=
 but
> > it sure would
> > nice for all the logging programs to be able to be able to use common
> > definitions to
> > facilitate moving data between each other.
> >
> > 73
> > Bob, K1VU
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL 10M 2003 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> > 5.2.2. Canada [NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK
> > (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF, (VO1), LB (VO2)], YT (VY1),=
 PEI
> > (VY2) NU (VY=D8).
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL 160M 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> > 5.2.1. Northern Territory (NT) multiplier includes the Northwest (NWT),
> > Yukon (VY1) and Nunavut (VY0) territories.
> > Could be 9 Mults where MAR=3DNB,NS,PEI + NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS
> > QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC
> > OR
> > Could be 11 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS
> > NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
> >   OR
> > Could be 12 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW PLUS=
 NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL Field Day 2003
> > nothing directly defined That I could find easily)
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL International DX 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> > 5.2.2. DX stations: Sum of US states (except KH6/KL7), District of=
 Columbia
> > (DC), and Canadian provinces/territories: NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC=
 (VE2),
> > ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF (VO1),=
 LB
> > (VO2), NU (VY0), YT (VY1), PEI (VY2) worked per band (maximum of 63 per
> > band).
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL November SS 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> > 5.1. Multiplier: Each ARRL Section and RAC Section plus the Canadian NT
> > (Northern Territories - encompassing VE8 / VY1 / VY0) with a maximum=
 number
> > of 80.
> >
> > 5.2. Final score: Multiply QSO points (two per QSO) by the number of
> > ARRL/RAC sections (plus NT VE8/VY1/VY0).
> >
> >
> > Could be 9 Mults where MAR=3DNB,NS,PEI + NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS
> > QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC
> > OR
> > Could be 11 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW + NL=3DNF,LA PLUS
> > NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
> >   OR
> > Could be 12 mults where NT=3DNT,NU,NW PLUS=
 NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > ARRL RTTY Roundup 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> > 5.2. Multipliers: Each US state (except KH6 and KL7) plus the District=
 of
> > Columbia (DC), Canadian provinces/territories: NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC
> > (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF
> > (VO1), LB (VO2), NU (VY=D8), YT (VY1), PEI (VY2) and each DXCC country.=
 KH6
> > and KL7 count only as separate DXCC countries
> >
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