[Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion

Thu, 8 Jan 2004 16:36:36 -0800

I don't understand all of the "head scratchin" over this issue.
Why be concerned what the various contest sponsers have for
multipliers and whether it conforms to the postal codes or LOGic?

Just edit your List of Valid Values in LOGic to conform to the current
Postal Code.  If there is imported data from a contest program
that does not match, just edit it manually.  It might take all
of sixty seconds to do.  After all, how many Nunavut stations are
there in a typical contest?

A bigger issue along these similar lines are the very outdated
JCC, JCG, DXCC, Russian oblast, etc entries in the prefix table
and list of valid values.

But that's another story.
73 de Greg, K7KJ

Greg Hodsdon
Portland, OR
[email protected]
http://www.qsl.net/k7kj
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bradford J. Williams - N8GLS" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion

> Hi Bob,
>
> Sorry, but I think were all beating a dead horse.  The responses I got back
> from the ARRL stack-up like this:
>
> The ARRL Sections have nothing to do with contests.
> Several contests "conveniently" use the ARRL Section list as multipliers.
> The multiplier abbreviations will be "whatever works".  There is nothing in
> the rules that says they have to follow US or Canadian postal abbreviations.
> There is no reason to change anything as it has not been a problem in many
> years, and is well ingrained among thousands of contesters.
>
> So, it boils down to this.  In the eyes of the ARRL, there are 14 Provinces
> in Canada, period......forget the fact that there are 13, it doesn't matter
> because they are "just" multipliers.  Now, there are three ARRL contests
> that treat Canadian "provinces" as multipliers (I should have said ARRL's
> "view" of what Canada's provinces are), they are ARRL Int'l DX, 10-Meter,
> and RTTY Round-up.  For these contests, the multipliers are AB, BC, LB, MB,
> NB, NF, NS, NU, NWT, ON, PEI, QC, SK, and YT.
>
> Now, this leaves those contests that "conveniently" use the ARRL Sections as
> multipliers, they are the 160 Meter contest and the November Sweepstakes,
> for them the multipliers are AB, BC, MAR, MB, NL, NT, ON, QC, and SK.
>
> So for any other contests, your at the mercy of yourself, your
> logging/contest software maker, or a reflector like this one to find out how
> to handle the inconsistent use of multiplier rules and abbreviations.  For
> LOGic I will undo what I did last week and go back to VE Provinces that
> match the above.  That way at least the major contest logforms will still
> work.
>
> Until I or someone else can figure a way to pull multiple variations out of
> a list of valid values I'll wait to do anything else.
>
> 73, de Brad, N8GLS
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On
> Behalf Of R Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, 08 January, 2004 4:43 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: [Logic] Canadian Sect. and Mult. Confusion
>
>
> Below are the extracts from the ARRL sponsored contests showing the CAN
> multipliers.
> These are taken from the Contest Rules on the ARRL Web Site.
>
> This lack of consistency is creating much confusion amongst Contesters and
> the Authors
> of Contest Programs.
>
> I fail to see why we can not use the use the 13 multipliers as defined by
> the
> standard CAN Postal abbreviations.
> NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NT
> (VE8), NB (VE9)
> NL (VO1,VO2), NU (VY�), YT (VY1), PE (VY2).
>
> Other contests such as RAC Canada Day, RAC Winter and NCJ's NAQP and Sprint
> all use
> the 10 Provinces and 3 Territories to give 13 multipliers.
>
> The League seems to be out of step with everyone else (MY opinion) !!!!
> While they as the Contest Sponsors, can define things the way they want, but
> it sure would
> nice for all the logging programs to be able to be able to use common
> definitions to
> facilitate moving data between each other.
>
> 73
> Bob, K1VU
> ************************************************************
> ARRL 10M 2003 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> 5.2.2. Canada [NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK
> (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF, (VO1), LB (VO2)], YT (VY1), PEI
> (VY2) NU (VY�).
>
> ************************************************************
> ARRL 160M 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> 5.2.1. Northern Territory (NT) multiplier includes the Northwest (NWT),
> Yukon (VY1) and Nunavut (VY0) territories.
> Could be 9 Mults where MAR=NB,NS,PEI + NT=NT,NU,NW + NL=NF,LA PLUS
> QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC
> OR
> Could be 11 mults where NT=NT,NU,NW + NL=NF,LA PLUS
> NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
>   OR
> Could be 12 mults where NT=NT,NU,NW PLUS NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
>
> ************************************************************
> ARRL Field Day 2003
> nothing directly defined That I could find easily)
>
> ************************************************************
> ARRL International DX 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> 5.2.2. DX stations: Sum of US states (except KH6/KL7), District of Columbia
> (DC), and Canadian provinces/territories: NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC (VE2),
> ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF (VO1), LB
> (VO2), NU (VY0), YT (VY1), PEI (VY2) worked per band (maximum of 63 per
> band).
>
> ************************************************************
> ARRL November SS 2003 (Nothing Defined)
> 5.1. Multiplier: Each ARRL Section and RAC Section plus the Canadian NT
> (Northern Territories - encompassing VE8 / VY1 / VY0) with a maximum number
> of 80.
>
> 5.2. Final score: Multiply QSO points (two per QSO) by the number of
> ARRL/RAC sections (plus NT VE8/VY1/VY0).
>
>
> Could be 9 Mults where MAR=NB,NS,PEI + NT=NT,NU,NW + NL=NF,LA PLUS
> QC,ON,MB,SK,AB,BC
> OR
> Could be 11 mults where NT=NT,NU,NW + NL=NF,LA PLUS
> NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,PE
>   OR
> Could be 12 mults where NT=NT,NU,NW PLUS NS,QC,ON,MB,SK,AL,BC,NB,NL,LA,PE
>
> ************************************************************
> ARRL RTTY Roundup 2004 (14 CAN Multipliers Defined)
> 5.2. Multipliers: Each US state (except KH6 and KL7) plus the District of
> Columbia (DC), Canadian provinces/territories: NB (VE1, 9), NS (VE1), QC
> (VE2), ON (VE3), MB (VE4), SK (VE5), AB (VE6), BC (VE7), NWT (VE8), NF
> (VO1), LB (VO2), NU (VY�), YT (VY1), PEI (VY2) and each DXCC country. KH6
> and KL7 count only as separate DXCC countries
>
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