[Laser] Strange effect

[Tim Toast]

Thanks for the info Yves. 
Well, i see that it would be difficult to detect then with both 
of those effects conspiring. 
But, so this means you can detect fast pulses at 10 microns, just 
like the PGP works with regular silicon detectors? Nice! 
I had read the pyrodetectors where meant for relatively slow, 
>1 Hz pulse rates or changes in motion detectors, but maybe that
doesnt apply here. Pyros are not even diodes, are they? Are you
biasing it or working at zero bias? 
Since the pyro is not a diode, i'm guessing it can produce a true 
AC signal to the FET gate without a DC blocking capacitor.

-toast



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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:28:31 +0000 (GMT)
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Hi Tim

A pyroelectric detector is not able to d?tect a very slow optical decreasing and the silicon layer of the Pin photodiode used as LED has a rather small thermal inertia.

My pyroelectric detector with two reverse side cristals for thermal compensating (one of them is absorbing) is mounted as a classical K3PGP optical receiver.

A K3PGP receiver also works as a charge amplifier with the FET drain to gate capacitor as a Miller capacitance.

This enhances greatly the rising or decreasing slope of the output signal !

73

Yves F1AVY
http://f1avyopto.wifeo.com



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Dave,
That is probably the reason. Without looking it up, that seems to ring a bell somewhere 
about silicon emitting in the deep IR. I hadn't fully realized till now that all LEDs?might not?
have the near same detect + emit wavelengths. It makes me wonder how some of the 
other LED compositions? wavelengths are arranged too. I think i've read, in the 
UKnanowaves group, they had used green and blue LEDs in their (single led type) 
transceivers with good results. Those both may use gallium arsenide though, i don't 
know. I was thinking the blue LEDs used a nitride based construction.
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Yves, 
You may be able to tell whether the pyrodetector is seeing the actual 1.1 micron 
radiation or the 10 micron heat, by turning the silicon detector on and off rapidly. 
If the pyrodetector is just seeing the heat generated, then the silicon detector should 
continue to "glow" for a short time after it is turned off (as it cools off) rather than a 
crisp instant?on/off responce.. It may be sensitive to a combination of both even.
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-toast
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