[Kenwood] Curious

Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:34:26 -0400

Hay guys,

You can flame and argue the no code thing all day but myself and a ton of
other old timers like me will agree as follows.

A no code license holder is not a real ham.
They are appliance operators.
They could not put a coax connector on to save their life.
Could they copy a distress signal in CW? Not only no but H---NO.
The supporters are the same bunch that could not pass a ham test 30 years
ago so they worked to get the law changed.
They are the easy out people.
They are for the most part educated but have no common sense.
They have no loyalties.
They helped keep failing companies in business, Kenwood and Yaesu.
The ham bands are too crowded now, we do not need more of them.

Do we like them?  No
Do we respect them No.
Will we qso with them NO

Were do the majority of us operate?  The Extra class portions of the bands
or high speed CW which they probably think is RTTY or where their computer
programs will not copy.

Some say they are first to help in an emergency, Bull, with what? a 99.00
HT. They can't operate a decent HF band for long distance communication so
what good are they? Not much.

Yes, they carry their 99.00 HT's around  sporting events and the like saying
they are emergency communications trying to impress people.  Yea right.  I
will take a cell phone any day over an HT.

As you are probably wondering. No I do not operate any band above 20M. I do
not operate 10, 6, 2, 440 and the rest of that stuff. If I want to talk
across town, I will use my phone.

Look around any ham fest and see the no code techs walking around with 3
HT's, big battery packs on their belts and lots of speaker mikes what a
joke.

Now what do they look like, usually long hair, no shave, baggy pants, no
shirt or a tee shirt with some half vulgar thing on it.

My wife refuses to go to a fest except for Dayton for this very reason.

I am proud to say that I took every single license exam before the FCC and
no VEC's I have a problem with them also but that is for another day.

So if the list cop wants to boot me from the list, no problem, I just sold
the last piece of Kenwood crap last week and now I am 100 % Icom, the real
ham's radio..

 William J. Diamond
 Rogers, Arkansas USA
[email protected]

   Ham Radio Operator WR�T
Please Visit My Radio Page At
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/wjdiamond/index.html

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bob Wilder
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:32 PM
To: Scott Manthe; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Kenwood] Curious

Very well said Scott.  Like you, I never had a no code license.  I went from
Class B
to Advanced to Extra over the last 55 years and the Extra was three weeks
before the
code requirement dropped.   Some of the best operators I have heard lately
have been
no-code tech.  When there is an emergency, they are there to help which is
more than
I can say for some of the "coded" hams.

My 2 cents worth.

Bob

At 02:03 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, Scott Manthe wrote:

>Bill,
>That's a cute and catchy phrase, but it's woefully simplistic and
needlessly
>divisive. It's also, in my opinion, inappropriate commentary for this list.
>
>I've never held a code-free ticket in my 26 years as an amateur, but I have
>no problem with most of those whose have one. As long as they conduct
>themselves on the air with some diginity and have respect for what being an
>amateur means, then they're OK with me.
>
>What separates CBers and amateurs is foremost a test and a license, then
>secondly their attitude about their respective services, not CW. I've heard
>plenty of "coded" hams who don't respect their fellow amateurs, the FCC,
nor
>it seems, themselves. When you throw around cutesy phrases like, "Without
>CW, it's just CB", you're not encouraging anyone to learn CW, or anything
>else. You're being a jerk to people who've had nothing to do with the rule
>making process- they simply followed the rules in effect to get their
>tickets. And many code-free Techs are pretty decent hams and decent people.
>
>Does this attempt to make someone else feel bad about their accomplishments
>make you feel good? Does the fact that you learned CW make you feel
>superior? Does it make you a better operator?
>
>CW is a great tool and I'm glad I learned it, but not knowing it doesn't
>automatically make you an inferior amateur.
>
> Techs simply have different kind of amateur license than you, what's so
>hard to accept about that? And remember, many of those codeless licensees
>own Kenwood gear and subscribe to this list.
>
>Have a nice day,
>Scott, N9AI
>ex: WD9IPV, N9AAT
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "William J. Diamond" <[email protected]>
>To: "spawnn" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:49 AM
>Subject: RE: [Kenwood] Curious
>
>
>> It is called the codeless license.   Remember, without CW, it is just CB.
>>
>>
>>
>>  William J. Diamond
>>  Rogers, Arkansas USA
>> [email protected]
>>
>>    Ham Radio Operator WR�T
>> Please Visit My Radio Page At
>> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/wjdiamond/index.html
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of spawnn
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:39 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [Kenwood] Curious
>>
>>
>> I am curious,
>> When did Sears and Roebucks start issuing Amateur Radio Licenses again?
>> W2ZWW
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