[KCDXC] Non_cash Re: Serious Financial Concern + Annual report

[Alex, KU1CW]

 Jeff,
 Very good idea. We have 4 el 20m (46ft boom-BIG) donated to the club years ago by the W0HH (I think).
 I can make a list of the items and location and put it on the WEB or we may keep it single finance tracking document, when available.
 Everyone who has known KCDXC items, location of one, please send me info along with donor's name (if known).
 73. Thanks, Alex


--- On Mon, 1/5/09, Jeff Blaine <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com> wrote:

> From: Jeff Blaine <Jeff.Blaine at epak.com>
> Subject: RE: [SPAM]  Re: Serious Financial Concern + Annual report
> To: "Lee Ward" <lee at crcwireless.net>, "Alex, KU1CW" <ku1cw at yahoo.com>
> Cc: woodrr at att.net, "Wm. LAUX" <n0ag at yahoo.com>, "W0ZAP" <w0zap at everestkc.net>, "W0XK Perry McLean" <w0xk at att.net>, W0ns at aol.com, w0mw at comcast.net, W0LHK at aol.com, w0bv at att.net, "Tom NM0N" <nm0n at arrl.net>, "Tom Hammond" <n0ss at embarqmail.com>, "T E Isaacson" <ikeisaacson at earthlink.net>, "Steve Walz K0UO" <stevew at rsicorp.com>, "Steve Lufcy" <k0ou at comcast.net>, "Steve Gecewicz (MYedl)" <lance at myedl.com>, "rick barnett" <rick at crcwireless.net>, pfcambel at micoks.net, NX0I at aol.com, "N0ATH" <n0ath at charter.net>, "Missouri Guy" <n0tt1 at juno.com>, "Mike ZooLoo" <aa0mz at yahoo.com>, "Michael L. Bogard" <kd0fw at att.net>, "Marshall AA0FO" <mrtoburen at sunflower.com>, lee at crcltd.com, "Larry Wilson" <K0RWL at YAHOO.COM>, "L. Wilson" <k0rwl at townsqr.com>, KI7WO-1 at comcast.net, "Kevin Schavee" <n0cwr at kc.rr.com>, KCDXC-for-fun at crcltd.com, "KC0TjX Dan" <doctordan8 at embarqmail.com>, k0ru at arrl.net, k0lw at crcltd.com, "John Rodgers" <johnrodgers22 at att.net>, "John Patterson WC0W"
 <WC0W at AOL.COM>, "John K3FP" <k3fp at hotmail.com>, "John Chass W0JLC" <johnchass at midlandradio.com>, JimRCessna at aol.com, jim at walkersdomain.com, "Jim Smith" <jimkirsti at ni.net.nf>, "Jeff Blaine AC0C" <ac0c at arrl.net>, "Jan KC0IWK" <janny66101 at yahoo.com>, "James Arther W0NV" <w6yj at pacbell.net>, "J Brown" <n0nut at yahoo.com>, gyantis at midtec.com, "George Yantis" <k0gy at swbell.net>, "Fred N0XA" <n0xa at embarqmail.com>, "Dwayne K0LLS" <K0LLS at arrl.net>, "Dragan K0AP Davkovski" <davkovski at yahoo.com>, "Don Reed K0IFO" <k0ifo at arrl.net>, "don devins" <wd0bwm1 at swbell.net>, "Dick Posz" <rvposz at hotmail.com>, "Cliff Ahrens" <cahrens at mywdo.com>, "Clark Stewart" <w8tn.wv at gmail.com>, "Charles Lovgren" <clovgren at sunflower.com>, "Bob Sutton N0GMG" <N0GMG at yahoo.com>, "Bill WS4Y" <ws4y at arrl.net>, "Bill Henderson" <bill at hendersonkc.com>, "Bernie W3UR" <Bernie at dailydx.com>, bbrown at crcltd.com, "barnett rick" <barnett_rick at yahoo.com>, "B Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>, Arsk0jn at aol.com,
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> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:08 PM
> Gentlemen,
> 
> I'm a newcomer to the club so I'm not sure what the
> tradition or historical basis for all of this stuff is.  But
> I'm the treasurer of a Toastmasters group here in Lenexa
> and I know the tracking of club funds and assets can be
> troublesome.  
> 
> The bank account and dues has been an informal system but
> that seems to have been working in the past given the
> voluntary nature "honor system" of the dues.  And
> that's great but it will get to be a greater issue if
> the membership role were to grow significantly.  
> 
> In the discussions on the funds, I got to thinking how we
> keep track of the other non-cash club assets that have
> accumulated over the years.  We have the Icom hand-helds 
> -and I'm sure there other goodies as well.
> 
> If we are moving to a more formal way of handling the clubs
> business, I guess I'm suggesting that we should be
> accommodating all the asset classes and not only the cash
> part.  
> 
> 73/Jeff/ac0c
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Ward [mailto:lee at crcwireless.net] 
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:00 AM
> To: Alex, KU1CW
> Cc: woodrr at att.net; Wm. LAUX; W0ZAP; W0XK Perry McLean;
> W0ns at aol.com; w0mw at comcast.net; W0LHK at aol.com; w0bv at att.net;
> Tom NM0N; Tom Hammond; T E Isaacson; Steve Walz K0UO; Steve
> Lufcy; Steve Gecewicz (MYedl); rick barnett;
> pfcambel at micoks.net; NX0I at aol.com; N0ATH; Missouri Guy; Mike
> ZooLoo; Michael L. Bogard; Marshall AA0FO; lee at crcltd.com;
> Larry Wilson; L. Wilson; KI7WO-1 at comcast.net; Kevin Schavee;
> KCDXC-for-fun at crcltd.com; KC0TjX Dan; k0ru at arrl.net;
> k0lw at crcltd.com; John Rodgers; John Patterson WC0W; John
> K3FP; John Chass W0JLC; JimRCessna at aol.com;
> jim at walkersdomain.com; Jim Smith; Jeff Blaine AC0C; Jan
> KC0IWK; James Arther W0NV; J Brown; gyantis at midtec.com;
> George Yantis; Fred N0XA; Dwayne K0LLS; Dragan K0AP
> Davkovski; Don Reed K0IFO; don devins; Dick Posz; Cliff
> Ahrens; Clark Stewart; Charles Lovgren; Bob Sutton N0GMG;
> Bill WS4Y; Bill Henderson; Bernie W3UR; bbrown at crcltd.com;
> barnett rick; B Roske; Arsk0jn at aol.com; ak0a; kcdxc
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Serious Financial Concern + Annual
> report
> 
> Alex,
> 
> Do you have the K0ZM money?
> 
> Are you going to turn it over to the Treasurer?
> 
> The club awaits your answers.
> 
> Club business should never be considered private.
> 
> Lee
> 
> 
> AK> Same applies to the matter in Mike's letter:
> 
> AK> Club members,
> AK> I was working in the contest this weekend and had
> some things
> AK> to be done after RTTY fun, so had no plans to work
> on e-mails. Was
> AK> quite a surprise in many ways to see reverse of the
> long private
> AK> exchange into public matter and someone trying to
> say that I took
> AK> club's money. Irresponsible, to say the
> least-especially without
> AK> knowing details of the issues-sale in particular.  
> AK> I will call special meeting to discuss issue as soon
> as space
> AK> available and before next club meeting.
> 
> AK> Lee,
> AK> You should keep private e-mails in Private and if
> presented
> AK> to others (with permission)-then without cuts of the
> important
> AK> questions. This is not right.
> AK> Part Lee has removed from "flatly
> refusing" e-mail below:
> 
> AK>   "P.S. I have asked you to help with
> organization and so far
> AK> you have refused. You have been against better
> accounting? Why? Do
> AK> not sound right."
> 
> AK> Eight (!) week private effort to change things to
> how others
> AK> club doing it is out, so let's see...  
> 
> AK> I was told that we keep track of the annual
> membership by the
> AK> club roaster. One who paid dues-get name on the
> roaster:). This
> AK> issue is strictly KCDXC matter and not all of the
> people on CC:
> AK> are on the club roaster... 
> AK> Probably another good example of possible
> improvement in
> AK> accounting? Hope everyone agrees. 
> 
> AK> Matter is very simple and was NOT in any way (at
> least when
> AK> it started) related to sale of the K0ZM equipment.
> Equipment sale
> AK> broad here to make issue a bit fuzzier just 2-3
> weeks ago.
> AK> BTW-radio was delivered on Dec.22 and not 8 weeks
> ago.
> AK> Amplifier with some burned parts was delivered last
> week of
> AK> November and check not deposited until late December
> to see if it
> AK> works properly. Bill and I have spent a lot of time
> and effort
> AK> arranging a lot of things to make it happened. NO
> ONE HAS ASKED ME
> AK> IF I HAVE MONEY and for how long-just assumed so and
> pulled 8
> AK> weeks from somewhere...
> AK> Thanks to Tom K0ZM (SK), again. We shall respect
> this last
> AK> contribution and come up with a good way to make use
> of it, every
> AK> dollar will be accounted for.
>   
> AK> Now how it's all started:
> AK> After seeing in Oct.2008 newsletter treasury report
> (below):
> 
> AK> “As of Sept. 30, 2008, the KCDXC Treasury shows a
> balance of
> AK> $1080.18. This is the highest I can remember in the
> history of the
> AK> club this late in the year. Generous donations of
> members, careful
> AK> use of funds by the Treasurer and some corporate
> support from our
> AK> newsletter printer have allowed us to make great
> progress. A
> AK> special Thanks, to Pam & Curtis Cooper at the
> UPS store in Shawnee
> AK> and the Legends!”
> 
> AK> ...and hearing surprising verbal comment of the
> treasurer,
> AK> that "by now we normally have no money” I
> have asked Mike if there
> AK> are any existing document keeping records of the:
> AK> -members annual fees
> AK> -donations
> AK> -sale
> AK> -expense
> AK> -other forms of possible club income and expense. 
> AK> Data needed for financial analysis and improvement
> of the
> AK> club financial activities and different form. Spread
> sheet
> AK> accessible on the WEB for all club members-way the
> other
> AK> recognized amateur radio clubs functioning.  Simple
> matter which
> AK> may be solved in hours with Excel SS, right? 
> AK> Not so. I was told (for about 7-8 weeks by) now that
> such a
> AK> document had never existed and my requests in
> different forms to
> AK> create one were ignored 100% in many different ways.
> 
> AK> Comparisons to world worse dictators were made,
> freedom
> AK> explanations etc, treating that 'whole world
> will see' how low I
> AK> fell by holding club money for weeks...but nothing
> provided to
> AK> fulfill reasonable request. The best answer was'
> "Why do you need
> AK> it? What you going to do with information? Did I
> miss your
> AK> accounting degree???"  
> AK> I'm not trying to go backwards with this
> request-just looking
> AK> FORWARD and only for the good future of the Club. No
> degree
> AK> required. Makes sense? 
> 
> AK> As I have said well known clubs have it and KCDXC
> should do
> AK> something to be similar in a good way.
> 
> AK> Since privately kept issue is out-I would ask
> members for the
> AK> ideas and tools to bring accounting of the club
> members to the
> AK> respectful level for years to come. Any programs, SS
> with macros
> AK> and other ideas will be looked at and discussed in
> opened manner.
> 
> AK> Once again-all I’m trying to do since beginning of
> my
> AK> presidency is make club more interesting, organized
> and efficient
> AK> in all aspects and not necessary follow ‘it was
> done like that for
> AK> years’ rule, were it’s not making sense anymore.
> 
> AK> I’m counting on support of the Club members who
> would like to see positive changes happened.
> 
> 
> AK> Sincerely,
> 
> AK> Alex, KU1CW. KCDXC President.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> AK> --- On Sun, 1/4/09, M.Crabtree
> <mcrabtree at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> >> From: M.Crabtree <mcrabtree at kc.rr.com>
> >> Subject: Serious Financial Concern + Annual report
> >> To: woodrr at att.net, "Wm. LAUX"
> <n0ag at yahoo.com>, "W0ZAP"
> >> <w0zap at everestkc.net>, "W0XK Perry
> McLean" <w0xk at att.net>,
> >> W0ns at aol.com, w0mw at comcast.net, W0LHK at aol.com,
> w0bv at att.net, "Tom
> >> NM0N" <nm0n at arrl.net>, "Tom
> Hammond" <n0ss at embarqmail.com>, "T E
> >> Isaacson" <ikeisaacson at earthlink.net>,
> "Steve Walz K0UO"
> >> <stevew at rsicorp.com>, "Steve
> Lufcy" <k0ou at comcast.net>, "Steve
> >> Gecewicz (MYedl)" <lance at myedl.com>,
> "rick barnett"
> >> <rick at crcwireless.net>, pfcambel at micoks.net,
> NX0I at aol.com, "N0ATH"
> >> <n0ath at charter.net>, "Missouri
> Guy" <n0tt1 at juno.com>, "Mike ZooLoo"
> >> <aa0mz at yahoo.com>, "Michael L.
> Bogard" <kd0fw at att.net>, "Marshall
> >> AA0FO" <mrtoburen at sunflower.com>,
> lee at crcltd.com, "Lee Ward"
> >> <lee at crcwireless.net>, "Larry
> Wilson" <K0RWL at YAHOO.COM>, "L.
> >> Wilson" <k0rwl at townsqr.com>,
> KI7WO-1 at comcast.net, "Kevin Schavee"
> >> <n0cwr at kc.rr.com>, "kcdxc for fun"
> <KCDXC-for-fun at crcltd.com>,
> >> "KC0TjX Dan"
> <doctordan8 at embarqmail.com>, k0ru at arrl.net,
> >> k0lw at crcltd.com, "John Rodgers"
> AK>  <johnrodgers22 at att.net>, "John Patterson
> WC0W"
> AK> <WC0W at AOL.COM>, "John K3FP"
> <k3fp at hotmail.com>, "John Chass W0JLC"
> AK> <johnchass at midlandradio.com>,
> JimRCessna at aol.com,
> AK> jim at walkersdomain.com, "Jim Smith"
> <jimkirsti at ni.net.nf>, "Jeff
> AK> Blaine AC0C" <ac0c at arrl.net>, "Jan
> KC0IWK" <janny66101 at yahoo.com>,
> AK> "James Arther W0NV"
> <w6yj at pacbell.net>, "J Brown"
> AK> <n0nut at yahoo.com>, gyantis at midtec.com,
> "George Yantis"
> AK> <k0gy at swbell.net>, "Fred N0XA"
> <n0xa at embarqmail.com>, "Dwayne
> AK> K0LLS" <K0LLS at arrl.net>, "Dragan
> K0AP Davkovski"
> AK> <davkovski at yahoo.com>, "Don Reed
> K0IFO" <k0ifo at arrl.net>, "don
> AK> devins" <wd0bwm1 at swbell.net>, "Dick
> Posz" <rvposz at hotmail.com>,
> AK> "Cliff Ahrens" <cahrens at mywdo.com>,
> "Clark Stewart"
> AK> <w8tn.wv at gmail.com>, "Charles
> Lovgren" <clovgren at sunflower.com>,
> AK> "Bob Sutton N0GMG"
> <N0GMG at yahoo.com>, "Bill WS4Y"
> <ws4y at arrl.net>,
> AK> "Bill Henderson"
> <bill at hendersonkc.com>, "Bernie W3UR"
> AK> <Bernie at dailydx.com>, bbrown at crcltd.com,
> "barnett rick"
> AK> <barnett_rick at yahoo.com>, "B
> AK>  Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>,
> Arsk0jn at aol.com, "Alex Tkatch"
> AK> <ku1cw at yahoo.com>, "ak0a"
> <ak0a at kc.rr.com>
> >> Cc: "kcdxc for fun"
> <KCDXC-for-fun at crcltd.com>
> >> Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 5:48 PM
> >> Please read the attached files which has the
> annual
> >> financial report for the KCDXC. It comes in pdf or
> Word
> >> format for your convenience.
> >> 
> >>  Please read the report carefully. 
> >> Thanks & 73,
> >> Mike AB0X