[K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer expert of the club ??
wo3l at comcast.net
wo3l at comcast.net
Fri Jan 8 17:36:50 EST 2010
I'll bring some of my goodies as well. I'll try and get to the meeting a bit early.
We should be able to fix this up.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Karras" <ke3fl at yahoo.com>
To: "Sean Shaffer" <kb3imt at hotmail.com>, "ccarc" <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 4:46:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer expert of the club ??
OK B C N U then! (Noe the hard part, I have to remember to bring the stuff!)
Try to remind me & I'll write myself notes, too much going on here.
73 de ke3fl
Phil
--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Sean Shaffer <kb3imt at hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: Sean Shaffer <kb3imt at hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer expert of the club ??
> To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net, "Phil Karras" <ke3fl at yahoo.com>
> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 2:03 PM
>
>
>
>
>
> OK see you then.
>
> Reformat would be OK, data is backed up and I
> could just copy it over again anyway.
>
> > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:39:01 -0800
> > From: ke3fl at yahoo.com
> > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer
> expert of the club ??
> >
> > OK Next Monday it is. Yes, I believe it will
> "see" the HD but not be able to access it. We
> might be able to wipe it clean so that we could re-format
> & that might allow your system to see it again & you
> could then start over. But I'm not completely sure.
> >
> > Phil/KE3FL
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Sean Shaffer
> <kb3imt at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Sean Shaffer <kb3imt at hotmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident
> computer expert of the club ??
> > > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:55 PM
> > >
> > > That's not a bad idea the club meets next
> Monday right ?
> > >
> > > I was considering buying a similar device myself
> but hadn't
> > > done
> > >
> > > yet till the new setup was all hunky dory
> (honkie-dorie??)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I would like to verify the drive before I went
> back in.
> > >
> > > (This would be the fourth time I think, [First
> couple was a
> > > laptop
> > >
> > > issue, my current problem is with the desktop,
> long
> > > story......])
> > >
> > >
> > > I was about to consider leaving just now but
> thought to
> > > check my email first.
> > >
> > > If they push the issue the 14 day return policy
> isn't up
> > > till the 13/14? (Wed/Thur?)
> > > So if I can remember to bring it I can.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **Note drive is formatted for ext3, runs Linux
> [Ubuntu
> > > 8.04]
> > >
> > > Although I don't care if your laptop is
> Windows and does
> > > something to the
> > >
> > > drive, my data is backed up (except for a few
> emails, that
> > > aren't that
> > >
> > > important).
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:07:47 -0800
> > > > From: ke3fl at yahoo.com
> > > > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the
> resident computer
> > > expert of the club ??
> > > >
> > > > My guess is that the 500GB drive is still
> working. I
> > > have an external connector to connect any kind of
> drive via
> > > a USB port so perhaps at a club meeting I could
> bring it
> > > & my laptop & we could at least check the
> HD that
> > > way.
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Sean Shaffer
> <kb3imt at hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Sean Shaffer
> <kb3imt at hotmail.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the
> resident
> > > computer expert of the club ??
> > > > > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 11:08
> AM
> > > > >
> > > > > Ubuntu 8.04 LTS x86
> > > > >
> > > > > BIOS is from around 2001-2003
> (uncertain as to
> > > exact era)
> > > > > BIOS has option for CHS, LBA, Large and
> AUTO for
> > > HDD
> > > > > "Access Mode"
> > > > > (Is Large = LBA48 ?)
> > > > > I had kept BIOS at AUTO and 500GB was
> detected.
> > > > >
> > > > > For Scott's question, the drive was
> originally
> > > detected as
> > > > > 500GB when I first installed it.
> > > > > I copied over my data but hadn't
> expanded any
> > > partition to
> > > > > the full size of the drive yet.
> > > > > (Wanted to make sure all was well
> before I did)
> > > > > (gparted from liveCD and Ubuntu can see
> the full
> > > 500GB
> > > > > drive, when it was still detected)
> > > > >
> > > > > For Steve's question bootloader is
> GRUB and
> > > worked before
> > > > > drive was no longer detected.
> > > > > I was able to boot to Ubuntu and check
> email but
> > > now the
> > > > > drive is no longer booting.
> > > > >
> > > > > This IDE error is new to me, the bug
> reports are
> > > a few
> > > > > years old in some cases and more recent
> in
> > > others.
> > > > > (Some are Ubuntu 7.10 others are Ubuntu
> 9.04)
> > > > > But for me I didn't get this error
> till after the
> > > 500GB
> > > > > drive went bad and I put the old one
> back in.
> > > > > (The error occurs with the old 30GB)
> > > > >
> > > > > I think I did notice a jumper setting
> for 137GB
> > > on the new
> > > > > drive.
> > > > > But didn't set it that way because
> I thought the
> > > BIOS could
> > > > > take it.
> > > > > (Unless I am mistaken in regards to the
> Large =
> > > LBA48
> > > > > thing)
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll try to see if that makes a
> difference.
> > > > > (I am little uncertain that the drive
> may not
> > > have suffered
> > > > > some damage by now.)
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: comulada at verizon.net
> > > > > > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > > > > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 06:25:08
> -0500
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is
> the
> > > resident computer
> > > > > expert of the club ??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sean,
> > > > > > What flavor/version of Linux are
> you using
> > > and how old
> > > > > is the pc/bios
> > > > > > you are using? I looked up your
> error and it
> > > seems
> > > > > there's some sort of
> > > > > > a kernel bug going around that is
> giving
> > > this same
> > > > > drive error.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems as though the system is
> not
> > > shutting down
> > > > > properly and the
> > > > > > kernel is trying to halt the IDE
> channel
> > > twice and
> > > > > this is causing a
> > > > > > conflict thus confusing the kernel
> and never
> > > really
> > > > > shutting down all
> > > > > > the way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here's a link I found that may
> be of some
> > > help...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is the link to the main
> thread on the
> > > Ubuntu
> > > > > forums:
> > > > > >
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/193125
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is an external link from one
> of the
> > > posts:
> > > > > >
> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11994
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's worth a shot to look into
> this (even if
> > > it's not
> > > > > the solution for
> > > > > > your issue).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anthony, KB3RJH
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ubuntu Release 8.10 (Intrepid)
> > > > > > Kernel Linux 2.6.27-16 (Generic)
> > > > > > Gnome 2.24.1
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 23:11 -0500,
> Sean
> > > Shaffer
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Progress Report:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Old drive was not working
> because the
> > > bios was
> > > > > auto-adjusting to no drive for
> booting.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So new drive was not detected
> and then
> > > when I put
> > > > > old drive back in the bios wasn't
> set for it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not sure why bios won't
> adjust back
> > > when a good
> > > > > drive is installed but once the HD is
> > > auto-removed from boot
> > > > > order that how it remains.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can't turn off LAN
> booting but I can
> > > turn off
> > > > > that "position".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Weird setup not sure how
> common that is
> > > but you
> > > > > don't enable/disable a device but
> rather the
> > > position in the
> > > > > boot order.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I only have the first
> three
> > > positions set
> > > > > (Floppy,CDROM,HD) and the last position
> is
> > > disabled.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So what I find is that the
> old drive
> > > works.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The new one doesn't.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And on shutdown with the old
> drive,
> > > Linux reports
> > > > > that it "cannot iterate the IDE
> device: No such
> > > file or
> > > > > directory"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any other Linux users ? What
> does that
> > > mean ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I may take it back tommorrow
> but would
> > > like to
> > > > > know if may happen again before I bring
> a
> > > replacement home.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (Picked this up local in
> Staples.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010
> 19:03:00
> > > -0800
> > > > > > > > From: ke3fl at yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > To:
> comulada at verizon.net;
> > > > > k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re:
> [K3PZN-List] Who is
> > > the
> > > > > resident computer expert of the club
> ??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Try the known good
> cable, - good
> > > idea.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "I'd say the
> drive has gone south
> > > but" - If
> > > > > neither HD works it is highly unlikely
> that both
> > > died at the
> > > > > same time, and one while it was not
> even being
> > > used!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > pk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10,
> Anthony
> > > Comulada <comulada at verizon.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From: Anthony
> Comulada <comulada at verizon.net>
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re:
> [K3PZN-List] Who
> > > is the
> > > > > resident computer expert of the club
> ??
> > > > > > > > > To: "Carroll
> County Amateur
> > > Radio Club"
> > > > > <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
> > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday,
> January 5,
> > > 2010, 8:44
> > > > > PM
> > > > > > > > > Try a different
> IDE/sata
> > > cable (ie
> > > > > > > > > the one from the
> other
> > > IDE/sata
> > > > > > > > > channel that still
> working).
> > > Try to put
> > > > > the drive(s) in the
> > > > > > > > > second
> > > > > > > > > IDE/sata channel
> and see if
> > > the 2nd
> > > > > channel recognizes a
> > > > > > > > > drive is in
> > > > > > > > > there. The other
> step you
> > > should
> > > > > probably take is to verify
> > > > > > > > > the drives
> > > > > > > > > on a known working
> > > systemboard. Or you
> > > > > could take the
> > > > > > > > > drives to a
> > > > > > > > > friends house and
> try it out
> > > on their
> > > > > computer... I have an
> > > > > > > > > external USB
> > > > > > > > > enclosure that
> comes in handy
> > > for that
> > > > > kind of stuff.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With out looking at
> it, I'd
> > > say the
> > > > > drive has gone south
> > > > > > > > > but, the IDE
> > > > > > > > > could be bad or
> both...it's
> > > not
> > > > > uncommon for drives to
> > > > > > > > > expire early in
> > > > > > > > > life... It's
> got to be one or
> > > the
> > > > > other.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anthony, KB3RJH
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2010-01-05
> at 19:40
> > > -0500, Sean
> > > > > Shaffer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I'll have
> to check the
> > > bios
> > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The first time
> I checked
> > > it did
> > > > > not detect the IDE
> > > > > > > > > drive (listed as
> none)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But I forgot
> to look at
> > > the boot
> > > > > order (since it
> > > > > > > > > didn't list an
> IDE at all).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The USB drive
> is not
> > > connected.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I removed all
> > > peripherials but
> > > > > monitor, keyboard and
> > > > > > > > > mouse
> > > > > > > > > > (mouse is usb
> though if
> > > that
> > > > > matters)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In answer to
> Phil, after
> > > the 500GB
> > > > > drive was not
> > > > > > > > > detected I tried
> the
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > original 30GB
> with the
> > > same
> > > > > result.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And
> Steve's email
> > > reminded me that
> > > > > I hadn't checked
> > > > > > > > > the boot order
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > (but the BIOS
> does not
> > > detect
> > > > > either drive now?)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This bios, I
> don't
> > > think, won't
> > > > > let me turn off the
> > > > > > > > > PXE boot I can
> only
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > place it in
> the last
> > > order
> > > > > position. Unless
> > > > > > > > > there a keystroke
> not listed
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > that lets me
> disable.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I currently
> have the
> > > original 30GB
> > > > > drive in it I'll
> > > > > > > > > check bios options
> and
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > boot order
> again.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Date:
> Tue, 5 Jan
> > > 2010
> > > > > 19:05:27 -0500
> > > > > > > > > > > From:
> wo3l at comcast.net
> > > > > > > > > > > To:
> k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject:
> Re:
> > > [K3PZN-List] Who
> > > > > is the resident
> > > > > > > > > computer expert of
> the club
> > > ??
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1st thing
> is to
> > > pull the
> > > > > drive you installed
> > > > > > > > > today and make sure
> it
> > > > > > > > > > > still
> boots off the
> > > internal
> > > > > disk.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The USB
> disk should
> > > be
> > > > > hotplug unless something
> > > > > > > > > very strange is
> going
> > > > > > > > > > > on, so
> with the
> > > system booted
> > > > > connect that device
> > > > > > > > > and make sure the
> OS
> > > > > > > > > > > sees it
> and things
> > > are OK.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > To work
> out the
> > > boot issues
> > > > > check the BIOS boot
> > > > > > > > > order and see if it
>
> > > > > > > > > > > added the
> new USB
> > > device to
> > > > > the top causing the
> > > > > > > > > SATA or IDE drive
> to
> > > > > > > > > > > fall off
> the bottom
> > > of the
> > > > > list.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On
> 1/5/2010 18:43,
> > > Sean
> > > > > Shaffer wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> may have
> > > done
> > > > > something stupid but can't
> > > > > > > > > quite tell.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> may need
> > > another pair
> > > > > of eyes on
> > > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> installed a
> > > 500GB hard
> > > > > drive into an old
> > > > > > > > > PC
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > (not
> quite
> > > that old,
> > > > > 2003-ish maybe).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > All
> was well,
> > > I copied
> > > > > my data to it and
> > > > > > > > > only had to
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > fix
> the
> > > bootloader.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For
> a week it
> > > worked
> > > > > without issues.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> Today I had
> > > everything
> > > > > turned off, plugged
> > > > > > > > > it all into
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > a
> new surge
> > > protector,
> > > > > plugged in a second
> > > > > > > > > usb
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> external drive
> > > and
> > > > > turned it all back on.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On
> reboot all
> > > I get is
> > > > > the PXE net boot
> > > > > > > > > option and a
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> message that
> > > no boot
> > > > > device is found and I
> > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> cables.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> tried 3 IDE
> > > cables and
> > > > > 2 power cables, I
> > > > > > > > > cannot get
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> IDE drives
> > > (either
> > > > > the new one or the
> > > > > > > > > old one) to
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > recognized.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> DVD/CD still
> > > works, I
> > > > > can run off boot discs
> > > > > > > > > or LiveCDs
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sean
> KB3IMT
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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