[K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer expert of the club ??

Tue Jan 5 23:11:57 EST 2010

Progress Report:

Old drive was not working because the bios was auto-adjusting to no drive for booting.

So new drive was not detected and then when I put old drive back in the bios wasn't set for it.

Not sure why bios won't adjust back when a good drive is installed but once the HD is auto-removed from boot order that how it remains.

I can't turn off LAN booting but I can turn off that "position".

Weird setup not sure how common that is but you don't enable/disable a device but rather the position in the boot order.

So I only have the first three positions set (Floppy,CDROM,HD) and the last position is disabled.

So what I find is that the old drive works.

The new one doesn't.

And on shutdown with the old drive, Linux reports that it "cannot iterate the IDE device: No such file or directory"

Any other Linux users ? What does that mean ?

I may take it back tommorrow but would like to know if may happen again before I bring a replacement home.

(Picked this up local in Staples.)

> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:03:00 -0800
> From: ke3fl at yahoo.com
> To: comulada at verizon.net; k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer expert of the club ??
> 
> Try the known good cable, - good idea.
> 
> "I'd say the drive has gone south but" - If neither HD works it is highly unlikely that both died at the same time, and one while it was not even being used!
> 
> pk
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Anthony Comulada <comulada at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: Anthony Comulada <comulada at verizon.net>
> > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident computer expert of the club ??
> > To: "Carroll County Amateur Radio Club" <k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net>
> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 8:44 PM
> > Try a different IDE/sata cable (ie
> > the one from the other IDE/sata
> > channel that still working). Try to put the drive(s) in the
> > second
> > IDE/sata channel and see if the 2nd channel recognizes a
> > drive is in
> > there. The other step you should probably take is to verify
> > the drives
> > on a known working systemboard. Or you could take the
> > drives to a
> > friends house and try it out on their computer... I have an
> > external USB
> > enclosure that comes in handy for that kind of stuff. 
> > 
> > With out looking at it, I'd say the drive has gone south
> > but, the IDE
> > could be bad or both...it's not uncommon for drives to
> > expire early in
> > life... It's got to be one or the other.
> > 
> > Anthony, KB3RJH
> > 
> > On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 19:40 -0500, Sean Shaffer wrote:
> > > I'll have to check the bios again.
> > > 
> > > The first time I checked it did not detect the IDE
> > drive (listed as none)
> > > 
> > > But I forgot to look at the boot order (since it
> > didn't list an IDE at all).
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > The USB drive is not connected.
> > > 
> > > I removed all peripherials but monitor, keyboard and
> > mouse
> > > (mouse is usb though if that matters)
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > In answer to Phil, after the 500GB drive was not
> > detected I tried the
> > > 
> > > original 30GB with the same result.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > And Steve's email reminded me that I hadn't checked
> > the boot order 
> > > 
> > > (but the BIOS does not detect either drive now?)
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > This bios, I don't think, won't let me turn off the
> > PXE boot I can only
> > > 
> > >  place it in the last order position. Unless
> > there a keystroke not listed
> > > 
> > >  that lets me disable.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I currently have the original 30GB drive in it I'll
> > check bios options and
> > > 
> > >  boot order again.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:05:27 -0500
> > > > From: wo3l at comcast.net
> > > > To: k3pzn-list at mailman.qth.net
> > > > Subject: Re: [K3PZN-List] Who is the resident
> > computer expert of the club ??
> > > > 
> > > > 1st thing is to pull the drive you installed
> > today and make sure it 
> > > > still boots off the internal disk.
> > > > 
> > > > The USB disk should be hotplug unless something
> > very strange is going 
> > > > on, so with the system booted connect that device
> > and make sure the OS 
> > > > sees it and things are OK.
> > > > 
> > > > To work out the boot issues check the BIOS boot
> > order and see if it 
> > > > added the new USB device to the top causing the
> > SATA or IDE drive to 
> > > > fall off the bottom of the list.
> > > > 
> > > > Andy
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 1/5/2010 18:43, Sean Shaffer wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I may have done something stupid but can't
> > quite tell.
> > > > >
> > > > > I may need another pair of eyes on
> > something.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I installed a 500GB hard drive into an old
> > PC
> > > > >
> > > > > (not quite that old, 2003-ish maybe).
> > > > >
> > > > > All was well, I copied my data to it and
> > only had to
> > > > >
> > > > > fix the bootloader.
> > > > >
> > > > > For a week it worked without issues.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Today I had everything turned off, plugged
> > it all into
> > > > >
> > > > > a new surge protector, plugged in a second
> > usb
> > > > >
> > > > > external drive and turned it all back on.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On reboot all I get is the PXE net boot
> > option and a
> > > > >
> > > > > message that no boot device is found and I
> > should
> > > > >
> > > > > the cables.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried 3 IDE cables and 2 power cables, I
> > cannot get
> > > > >
> > > > > the IDE drives (either the new one or the
> > old one) to
> > > > >
> > > > > be recognized.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > DVD/CD still works, I can run off boot discs
> > or LiveCDs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sean KB3IMT
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
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