[K3pzn-board] ARES/RACES Equipment Listing
JOSEPH EBAUGH
jebaugh at carr.org
Sat Oct 9 12:28:56 EDT 2004
THAT WILL WORK FOR ME, DON'T FORGET TO GET SUGGESTIONS FROM THE MEMBERS
DURING THE CLUB MEETING, MAY MAKE FOR A LONG MEETING, HI HI
JOE
Keith Krichinsky wrote:
>Good points are being made all around regarding this topic. Let me
>point out one thing, if I may. We do not need to present our list to
>the county on this Tuesday. Sure, it would be nice but, it is not a
>requirment.
>
>Might I suggest, we get together Wednesday for a working dinner
>meeting at the FTC around six. We could bring in pizza or a bucket of
>chicken and really take time to discuss our options and prepare our
>list for George and Bill. This way we have a couple of days to get
>all of our thoughts and ideas together and on paper so we don't have
>to think off of the tops of our heads.
>
>Then we can request a special meeting with them for later in the week
>or early the following week, depending on the results of Wednesday's
>dinner meeting.
>
>On a slightly unrelated note: Doug, what did Harris Automotive say?
>
>Comments please gentlemen.
>
>Keith
>
>
>On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:39:03 -0400, Douglas Kearney
><kearneydj at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Good Afternoon All,
>>
>> If we are going to try to present a list to the county on Tuesday
>>evening, does the group feel that the original list presented by the van
>>committee is adequate? I would have to say probably not. What happened to
>>all the passion and enthusiasm for this project? If I understand the gesture
>>from the county correctly, they are FINALLY willing to open their wallet. We
>>have been trying to get them to do this for a very long time and now when we
>>are at the cusp of acquiring the financial backing that we have wanted to
>>purchase the necessary ARES/RACES supplies there is basically no or minimal
>>discussion on this topic from the group! I just don't understand. I would
>>think that the ARES/RACES organization would be ECSTATIC and chomping at the
>>bit to get together and outline what equipment that the team needs to
>>provide the services listed below. The van committees listing is a good
>>start, but I think that it is not the TOTAL solution. The van is not the
>>TOTAL solution.
>>
>> Here are the four services that we agreed would be provided to our
>>served agencies.
>>
>> 1) In the event of a "last-mile" failure of internet service, we
>>can
>> provide an augmentation of existing e-mail connectivity from
>>the EOC to the internet.
>>
>> 2) Through the ability to monitor various local, regional,
>>state and
>> national communications networks such as Skywarn, the
>>Hurricane Watch Net (HWN), the National Traffic System (NTS) etc., we can
>>provide
>> coordination related communications with local, regional,
>>state and federal organizations and/or agencies.
>>
>> 3) We can provide a means of digital and voice communications
>>from the EOC
>> to various disaster or relief point(s) within the county,
>>region or state.
>>
>> 4) We can provide a pool of skilled radio operators with
>>communications
>> equipment to establish and maintain communications networks
>>locally or nationally as required.
>>
>> When does the ARES/RACES organization want to set down and architect
>>communication solutions for the four agreed upon services to our served
>>agencies? This exercise MUST take place before we can reasonably submit a
>>list of equipment and supplies that the ARES/RACES organization wants.
>>
>> I am available all day Saturday, and Sunday afternoon and evening.
>>Please let me know when and if you would like to meet.
>>
>>73,
>>Doug N5LBJ
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Douglas Kearney [mailto:kearneydj at hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 14:35
>>To: 'Frank Rodski'; 'Stephen C Beckman'; keith_kb3hhk at hotmail.com;
>>jvc749 at adelphia.net; jebaugh at carr.org; mellema at qis.net; n3gqk at juno.com;
>>charlesc at carr.org; dkearney at umm.edu; 'Chesley, John'; wx3f at juno.com
>>Subject: RE: Radio Equipment Needs
>>
>>Team
>>
>>I think that we need to discuss exactly what we need before we present a
>>list of equipment to the county. Here is my point, we need to identify if
>>the Van is or isn't the only item that we can seek monies for, if that is
>>the case then the list of equipment that we will need to satisfy the three
>>services previously identified will probably be different then the one that
>>Keith created. If the available monies are not only for the van then the
>>list of equipment that we would consider would be for the repeater site,
>>EOC, FTC, and MCC Van. I really think that the monies are going to be under
>>the general umbrella of Homeland Security. I don't think that the county or
>>the feds care if we use the money for the van or the what. The main point is
>>that we use the money to increase our ability to supplement the counties
>>emergency communication needs. The RED CROSS is not a source for this money
>>and their requirements are secondary because the Feds and County are
>>supplementing our cause.
>>
>>The feds and/or the county is opening their pocketbook up, I just don't want
>>to grab money for the sake of taking the money because we might not get any
>>more. We must act fiscally responsible. The money that we are taking is all
>>our tax money that our kids will have to pay interest on for many years from
>>now.
>>
>>This week we created a great list of services that we can provide the county
>>and indirectly our fellow citizens. I think we should first architect the
>>solutions to provide those services FIRST!!! The communication van is only
>>one component of the solution. Once we have architected those solutions and
>>identified the equipment needs, then and only then, can we responsibly go to
>>the county with a list of equipment that we would like for them to purchase
>>with OUR tax dollars.
>>
>>The list of equipment that was sent to Pudge from Keith on July 23 is not a
>>bad list of equipment, but I am unsure if it is going to allow the
>>ARES/RACES organization to provide those three document services.
>>
>>BTW, Can someone please forward this to Phil KE3FL. I do not have his email
>>address. He was not included in the original email.
>>
>>I think that an in person meeting to discuss this issue is really important
>>before we present this list to Bill and George. I would say that this
>>Friday, Saturday, or Sunday night is an option.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Doug N5LBJ
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Frank Rodski [mailto:k3mtt at verizon.net]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 19:17
>>To: Stephen C Beckman; keith_kb3hhk at hotmail.com; jvc749 at adelphia.net;
>>jebaugh at carr.org; mellema at qis.net; n3gqk at juno.com; kearneydj at adelphia.net;
>>charlesc at carr.org; k3mtt at verizon.net; dkearney at umm.edu; 'Chesley, John';
>>wx3f at juno.com
>>Subject: RE: Radio Equipment Needs
>>
>>Steve et al:
>>I hope there not just blowing smoke, but this is typical of government
>>spending. Usually the deadline is by OCT 1 not Dec 31.
>>
>>The equipment list came up several times including last BoD meeting. Isn't
>>anyone listening? It was the job of the MCC Committee to do so and one was
>>prepared months ago. Suggested was two stations covering all bands and a
>>third position, and a 144/450 MHz position for the front shotgun side. The
>>committee agree on a busing structure etc. Suitable antennas, 6 volts heavy
>>duty equipment batteries, wire, coax, etc. were on the list. Possibly other
>>radios are better than those suggested, but it should be very hard to decide
>>on ones. For the most part if we are going to get funding, then the rule is
>>to go for the biggest baddest stuff you can find. They will cut you down if
>>need be and then we can suggest alternatives. There aren't that many radios
>>on the market at he quality I'm speaking of, so choosing should be easy.
>>Antenna requirements may even be more difficult.
>>
>>I think Chuck, N3TOT has the list and Keith and/or Chuck may have a more
>>detailed list of items ...keyers etc. Handie talkies, chargers, spare
>>batteries, cell phone are also a possibility. A portable tower along with
>>other antenna supports etc. need to be considered. Food storage capability
>>such as a small refrig and foodstuffs that wont go bad but will feed a 3.4
>>person crew for several days should be considered. A small television and a
>>good AM/FM radio beside the truck radio are other items. If we just sit and
>>think about it, there will be quite a number of items, both large and small
>>that can make the list.
>>
>>In any event ... lets not argue about it and certainly lets not hold up
>>getting the list together because this or that is or is not written and
>>sealed in blood. Believe me, during my 35 years with the Feds I procured
>>and got more items approved up with quick justification at the end of a
>>quarter or fiscal year than any other time of the year even with huge
>>studies and reams of justification.
>>
>>The van is the primary need and will more easily justify any Homeland
>>Security monies than other things, although support for the repeater should
>>be high on the list with the fixed Club station making the list also.
>>
>>Do you want to get the van committee and/or the BoD together to get a final
>>list together?
>>
>>Frank K3MTT
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Stephen C Beckman [mailto:Stephen_C_Beckman at Raytheon.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 4:19 PM
>>To: keith_kb3hhk at hotmail.com; jvc749 at adelphia.net; jebaugh at carr.org;
>>mellema at qis.net; n3gqk at juno.com; kearneydj at adelphia.net; charlesc at carr.org;
>>k3mtt at verizon.net; dkearney at umm.edu; 'Chesley, John'; wx3f at juno.com
>>Subject: Fw: Radio Equipment Needs
>>
>>Greetings Gentlemen;
>>
>>When you all get unglued from the ceiling, let's make plans to put together
>>our equipment list. We should see George & Bill at the RACES drill next
>>week, so that will be an opportunity to learn more about what's available,
>>and if it can be applied to other needs (beyond the van) as well.
>>
>>73; Steve, N3SB
>>----- Forwarded by Stephen C Beckman/TOW/Raytheon/US on 10/05/2004 04:04 PM
>>-----
>>
>> "Thomas, George
>> E. Jr."
>> <gthomas at ccg.carr To
>> .org> "'Stephen C Beckman'"
>> <Stephen_C_Beckman at raytheon.com>
>> 10/05/2004 03:57 cc
>> PM "Martin, William"
>> <wmartin at ccg.carr.org>, "'Lawrence
>> Solarczyk'" <wx3f at juno.com>
>> Subject
>> Radio Equipment Needs
>>
>>Steve,
>>
>> Bill Martin and I were discussing our visit to the Simulated Emergency
>>Test (SET) last Saturday morning and during the conversation Bill mentioned
>>that the two of you had discussed some radio equipment needs that you have
>>for the communications van. Bill asked me to contact MEMA and see if any of
>>the funding that the County has received through the Homeland Security
>>Equipment Grant program might be able to be used in order to help fund your
>>needs. I am very please to tell you that the answer is yes. The only thing
>>that we have to make sure of is that we know where the equipment is located
>>so that if the Federal Government wants to do an audit we are able to show
>>them the equipment that the funding bought. Our current 2003 funding needs
>>to be spent and reimbursement sought from MEMA by December 31st of this year
>>and I think we have enough money remaining to fund your needs. If you could
>>supply us with a list of exactly what you want, its cost, and where to
>>purchase it as quickly as possible but no later than November 1st we can get
>>the ball rolling on your needs. If you have any questions or concerns just
>>let Bill or me know.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>George
>>
>>George Thomas
>>Office of Public Safety Support Services
>>225 North Center Street - Room #020
>>Westminster, Maryland 21157
>>
>>410-386-2296
>>410-857-3522 (fax)
>>
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