[ILQSO] ILQSO Digest, Vol 102, Issue 2
Jim Funk
jfunk at fossna.com
Sat Oct 4 11:23:09 EDT 2014
Steven are you planning both phone and cw? On that corner you will be VERY popular.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:19 AM, "Steven KA9MOT" <ka9mot at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info Hank,
>
> I am going to talk to the property owner on Tuesday (I'll be in that area)
> and see if they will allow us to play in their yard. :)
>
> Digital Modes.... I hadn't considered that and haven't ever worked Hell...
> Maybe I'll build an interface for the Kenwood and give it a try, if I can
> find an affordable small converter to power my laptop. I could use it for
> logging as well. Thanks for the idea! I'll have to Google up the
> frequencies Hell is usually used.
>
> The plan is to bring 4 car batteries and keep the power low and switch the
> batteries out as the need presents itself.
>
> Steve KA9MOT
>
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Hank Greeb <n8xx at arrl.org> wrote:
>>
>> According to MARAC, one should be as close to the corner as safety
>> permits, typically within 600 feet of the corner.
>>
>> I was about 300 feet from the corner in one four corner spot, and about
>> 200 feet from the corner of another four corner spot.
>>
>> there was a high tension 60 cycle line along both of the roads which
>> intersected at the four corner site, so it would be very, very hazardous
>> for the antenna to cross the road.
>>
>> Common sense must be the guide in all such situations.
>>
>> I'm glad to see a QRP category. When I ventured into Illinois I don't
>> recall such a category.
>>
>> Sorry, I can't make it this year. I'll be in Hell (Michigan) on October
>> 18, running Hellschreiber (Feld Hell) as W1AW/8 - fire up your favorite
>> data mode software, choose Feld Hell as operating mode, and give us a
>> buzz. We'll try to be on all bands, probably not simultaneously, but at
>> least an hour on each band from 80 to 10 meters, including the WARC bands.
>>
>> 72/73 de n8xx hg
>> QRP >99.44% of the tiem
>> Except we'll be using 100 watts as W1AW/8 from Hell :)
>>
>>
>>> On 10/3/2014 10:42 PM, Steven KA9MOT wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for all of the advice. I gather that nobody really knows for sure.
>>> My plan was/is to set up a station on the property that is right on the
>>> corner of the 3 county lines. Assuming the line is down the middle of the
>>> road, I would only be in Henderson County and 25 feet or so from McDonough
>>> and Warren Counties if the person who lives in the farmhouse pictured
>>> here:
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/@40.636685,-90.7889042,429m/data=!3m1!1e3
>>> will
>>> allow me to set up in the corner of the intersection (Northwest corner).
>>>
>>> I'm planning on running portable, off battery power and at QRP Power
>>> levels
>>> (5W) if I can do this and stay with-in the rules, and the property owner
>>> allows.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Steve KA9MOT
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:51 PM, <ilqso-request at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>
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>>>> 1. Re: County Lines (Jim Funk)
>>>> 2. Lake County (Jim Lang)
>>>> 3. Grundy County (Brian S. McDaniel)
>>>> 4. COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES (Tom Pennebaker)
>>>> 5. Re: COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES (Danny Pease)
>>>> 6. Re: COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES (Fritz Bock)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 14:38:22 +0000
>>>> From: Jim Funk <jfunk at fossna.com>
>>>> To: Illinois QSO Party <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] County Lines
>>>> Message-ID: <A90D277E-958E-44D0-B71E-B91E54FD0F65 at fossna.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Good points. Look for a culvert.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:34 AM, "Danny Pease" <dpease at adams.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be very leery of stringing an antenna that crosses a public
>>>>> road,
>>>>> many risks involved. Since there is an intersection of roads, there is
>>>>> likely overhead power lines, plus the traffic issue. IF power lines are
>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>> an issue and IF you can get the antenna as high as or even higher than
>>>> power
>>>>
>>>>> lines normally are, you might get by with it, once it was up, but even
>>>>> getting it up could be dangerous. Even running a radial laying across a
>>>> road
>>>>
>>>>> could be disastrous if a passing vehicle manage to catch hold of it. You
>>>> may
>>>>
>>>>> look for a steel culvert and attach some part of the antenna system to
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>>> NG9R
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
>>>>> Funk
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:50 AM
>>>>> To: Illinois QSO Party
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] County Lines
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve, I will take a stab at this since you asked....
>>>>>
>>>>> From DeLorme, it seems obvious that there is such a county corner.
>>>>>
>>>>> There appears to be access to said corner by car as the corner is at the
>>>>> intersection of 2100E and CR 2400 N.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I were you, I would set up as close to the intersection as possible
>>>>> (SAFETY CONSIDERED) and string a portion of an antenna (could be a
>>>>> counterpoise or overhead dipole) in such a manner that the "station"
>>>>> (including antennas) is actually in all three counties.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that would meet the letter and the spirit of the event rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Jim N9JF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steven
>>>>> KA9MOT
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:22 AM
>>>>> To: Illinois QSO Party
>>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] County Lines
>>>>>
>>>>> I am seriously considering setting up a Portable station on the
>>>> Henderson,
>>>>
>>>>> McDonough and Warren County lines this year, if I can get permission
>>>>> from
>>>>> the property line.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is, how far (in feet) can you be away from the actual line,
>>>>> before you are no longer considered to be on the County Line?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your time,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve KA9MOT
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>>>> ------------------------------
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>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:15:21 -0500
>>>> From: "Jim Lang" <jimlang at comcast.net>
>>>> To: <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] Lake County
>>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> I will be set up at home in Lake County.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim / KD9GY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:24:30 -0500
>>>> From: "Brian S. McDaniel" <bsm60403 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] Grundy County
>>>> Message-ID: <542EE9DE.1050807 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> The Rainbow Council Boy Scouts will be on the air for Jamboree on the
>>>> Air on the same day as the Illinois QSO Party.
>>>>
>>>> Look for K9RSR on 80/40/20/10 from EN51th. Hope to work you all.
>>>> --
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Brian McDaniel
>>>> KC4LMD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:55:34 -0500
>>>> From: Tom Pennebaker <n4rs at iamotelephone.com>
>>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>> Message-ID: <542EFF36.1050105 at iamotelephone.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> */The Rules/*
>>>>
>>>> *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
>>>> <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
>>>> county lines in the rules.*
>>>>
>>>> *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio
>>>> Awards Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they issued
>>>> the following rules for county lines: *
>>>>
>>>> *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
>>>> geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of the
>>>> location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed beside a
>>>> highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
>>>> county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a cattle
>>>> gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
>>>> changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a indication
>>>> of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
>>>> means of identifying a county line is available, these markers may
>>>> be used.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May 2000,
>>>> GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
>>>> accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
>>>> upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both counties.
>>>> A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
>>>> county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
>>>> water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
>>>> described boundary.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
>>>> County Line can be located as described above and can be run
>>>> SAFELY.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
>>>> county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> ************
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:09:06 -0500
>>>> From: "Danny Pease" <dpease at adams.net>
>>>> To: "'Illinois QSO Party'" <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> Even MARAC gives no distance, they simply state a vehicle must occupy
>>>> both
>>>> counties and do not allow more than two counties to be occupied at the
>>>> same
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Since most portable operations do not operate out of a vehicle, it might
>>>> be
>>>> easier to have parts of the operation on two counties or more at the same
>>>> time, but doing so safely is almost impossible when it comes to a road
>>>> being
>>>> involved. Because of the ILQSO rules allow for more than two counties
>>>> at a
>>>> time to be activated, there has to be a little bit of leeway in what is
>>>> close enough for the sake of safety.
>>>>
>>>> Besides that, we do not want to discourage our multi-county operations
>>>> from
>>>> going out by forcing them into a dangerous situation. I suppose we ought
>>>> to
>>>> set a number of feet as being close enough to make it a little clearer.
>>>>
>>>> MARAC mentions an accuracy of 20 meters as being acceptable when using a
>>>> GPS. Maybe that would be a good starting point, but that does require you
>>>> know the exact intersection to measure from, another variable.
>>>>
>>>> NG9R
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
>>>> Pennebaker
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:56 PM
>>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>>
>>>> */The Rules/*
>>>>
>>>> *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
>>>> <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
>>>> county
>>>> lines in the rules.*
>>>>
>>>> *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio Awards
>>>> Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they issued the
>>>> following rules for county lines: *
>>>>
>>>> *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
>>>> geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of the
>>>> location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed beside a
>>>> highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
>>>> county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a cattle
>>>> gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
>>>> changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a indication
>>>> of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
>>>> means of identifying a county line is available, these markers may
>>>> be used.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May 2000,
>>>> GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
>>>> accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
>>>> upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both counties.
>>>> A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
>>>> county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
>>>> water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
>>>> described boundary.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
>>>> County Line can be located as described above and can be run
>>>> SAFELY.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
>>>> county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> ************
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:51:10 -0500
>>>> From: Fritz Bock <wd9fmb at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Illinois QSO Party <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <CAH9akk1PkjgR050birVieNHD7JmXpY=o23Z-Ru0JGmv-mRO_=
>>>> g at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> I think the IL QSO FAQ's do a great job on answering the question of a
>>>> county corner...nice and simple.....
>>>>
>>>> Q: I want to operate from a three or four county corner. I think I know
>>>> the exact location of the corner (from a map or posted signs), but how
>>>> close do I have to park to this spot to qualify?
>>>>
>>>> *A: The traditional answer to this has been: ?As close as possible,
>>>> keeping
>>>> safety uppermost in mind.? To claim three or four counties, the operator
>>>> should 1) As nearly as possible, locate the exact corner; 2) Find a safe
>>>> spot as close as possible to the corner to set up the station; 3) Obtain
>>>> permission from land-owners if at all possible; 4) Arrange portions of
>>>> the
>>>> antenna system to be physically placed in all three (or four) counties if
>>>> possible.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fritz Bock
>>>> WD9FMB
>>>> 309-256-2297
>>>> IL ARES District 7, DEC
>>>> Peoria County ARES EC
>>>> www.peoriacountyares.org
>>>> www.W9UVI.org
>>>> ARRL PIO, IL Section
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Danny Pease <dpease at adams.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Even MARAC gives no distance, they simply state a vehicle must occupy
>>>> both
>>>>
>>>>> counties and do not allow more than two counties to be occupied at the
>>>> same
>>>>
>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since most portable operations do not operate out of a vehicle, it might
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>>> easier to have parts of the operation on two counties or more at the
>>>>> same
>>>>> time, but doing so safely is almost impossible when it comes to a road
>>>>> being
>>>>> involved. Because of the ILQSO rules allow for more than two counties
>>>> at a
>>>>
>>>>> time to be activated, there has to be a little bit of leeway in what is
>>>>> close enough for the sake of safety.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides that, we do not want to discourage our multi-county operations
>>>> from
>>>>
>>>>> going out by forcing them into a dangerous situation. I suppose we ought
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>> set a number of feet as being close enough to make it a little clearer.
>>>>>
>>>>> MARAC mentions an accuracy of 20 meters as being acceptable when using a
>>>>> GPS. Maybe that would be a good starting point, but that does require
>>>>> you
>>>>> know the exact intersection to measure from, another variable.
>>>>>
>>>>> NG9R
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
>>>>> Pennebaker
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:56 PM
>>>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>>>
>>>>> */The Rules/*
>>>>>
>>>>> *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
>>>>> <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
>>>>> county
>>>>> lines in the rules.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio
>>>>> Awards
>>>>> Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they issued the
>>>>> following rules for county lines: *
>>>>>
>>>>> *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
>>>>> geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of the
>>>>> location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed beside a
>>>>> highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
>>>>> county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a
>>>>> cattle
>>>>> gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
>>>>> changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a indication
>>>>> of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
>>>>> means of identifying a county line is available, these markers may
>>>>> be used.*
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May 2000,
>>>>> GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
>>>>> accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
>>>>> upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both
>>>>> counties.
>>>>> A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
>>>>> county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
>>>>> water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
>>>>> described boundary.*
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
>>>>> County Line can be located as described above and can be run
>>>>> SAFELY.*
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
>>>>> county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> ************
>>>>>
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