[ILQSO] ILQSO Digest, Vol 102, Issue 2
Steven KA9MOT
ka9mot at gmail.com
Sat Oct 4 00:49:52 EDT 2014
Thanks for the info Hank,
I am going to talk to the property owner on Tuesday (I'll be in that area)
and see if they will allow us to play in their yard. :)
Digital Modes.... I hadn't considered that and haven't ever worked Hell...
Maybe I'll build an interface for the Kenwood and give it a try, if I can
find an affordable small converter to power my laptop. I could use it for
logging as well. Thanks for the idea! I'll have to Google up the
frequencies Hell is usually used.
The plan is to bring 4 car batteries and keep the power low and switch the
batteries out as the need presents itself.
Steve KA9MOT
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Hank Greeb <n8xx at arrl.org> wrote:
> According to MARAC, one should be as close to the corner as safety
> permits, typically within 600 feet of the corner.
>
> I was about 300 feet from the corner in one four corner spot, and about
> 200 feet from the corner of another four corner spot.
>
> there was a high tension 60 cycle line along both of the roads which
> intersected at the four corner site, so it would be very, very hazardous
> for the antenna to cross the road.
>
> Common sense must be the guide in all such situations.
>
> I'm glad to see a QRP category. When I ventured into Illinois I don't
> recall such a category.
>
> Sorry, I can't make it this year. I'll be in Hell (Michigan) on October
> 18, running Hellschreiber (Feld Hell) as W1AW/8 - fire up your favorite
> data mode software, choose Feld Hell as operating mode, and give us a
> buzz. We'll try to be on all bands, probably not simultaneously, but at
> least an hour on each band from 80 to 10 meters, including the WARC bands.
>
> 72/73 de n8xx hg
> QRP >99.44% of the tiem
> Except we'll be using 100 watts as W1AW/8 from Hell :)
>
>
> On 10/3/2014 10:42 PM, Steven KA9MOT wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all of the advice. I gather that nobody really knows for sure.
>> My plan was/is to set up a station on the property that is right on the
>> corner of the 3 county lines. Assuming the line is down the middle of the
>> road, I would only be in Henderson County and 25 feet or so from McDonough
>> and Warren Counties if the person who lives in the farmhouse pictured
>> here:
>> https://www.google.com/maps/@40.636685,-90.7889042,429m/data=!3m1!1e3
>> will
>> allow me to set up in the corner of the intersection (Northwest corner).
>>
>> I'm planning on running portable, off battery power and at QRP Power
>> levels
>> (5W) if I can do this and stay with-in the rules, and the property owner
>> allows.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Steve KA9MOT
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:51 PM, <ilqso-request at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
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>>> 4. COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES (Tom Pennebaker)
>>> 5. Re: COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES (Danny Pease)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 14:38:22 +0000
>>> From: Jim Funk <jfunk at fossna.com>
>>> To: Illinois QSO Party <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] County Lines
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>>> Good points. Look for a culvert.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:34 AM, "Danny Pease" <dpease at adams.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would be very leery of stringing an antenna that crosses a public
>>>> road,
>>>> many risks involved. Since there is an intersection of roads, there is
>>>> likely overhead power lines, plus the traffic issue. IF power lines are
>>>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>> an issue and IF you can get the antenna as high as or even higher than
>>>>
>>> power
>>>
>>>> lines normally are, you might get by with it, once it was up, but even
>>>> getting it up could be dangerous. Even running a radial laying across a
>>>>
>>> road
>>>
>>>> could be disastrous if a passing vehicle manage to catch hold of it. You
>>>>
>>> may
>>>
>>>> look for a steel culvert and attach some part of the antenna system to
>>>>
>>> that.
>>>
>>>> NG9R
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
>>>> Funk
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:50 AM
>>>> To: Illinois QSO Party
>>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] County Lines
>>>>
>>>> Steve, I will take a stab at this since you asked....
>>>>
>>>> From DeLorme, it seems obvious that there is such a county corner.
>>>>
>>>> There appears to be access to said corner by car as the corner is at the
>>>> intersection of 2100E and CR 2400 N.
>>>>
>>>> If I were you, I would set up as close to the intersection as possible
>>>> (SAFETY CONSIDERED) and string a portion of an antenna (could be a
>>>> counterpoise or overhead dipole) in such a manner that the "station"
>>>> (including antennas) is actually in all three counties.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that would meet the letter and the spirit of the event rules.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Jim N9JF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steven
>>>> KA9MOT
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:22 AM
>>>> To: Illinois QSO Party
>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] County Lines
>>>>
>>>> I am seriously considering setting up a Portable station on the
>>>>
>>> Henderson,
>>>
>>>> McDonough and Warren County lines this year, if I can get permission
>>>> from
>>>> the property line.
>>>>
>>>> My question is, how far (in feet) can you be away from the actual line,
>>>> before you are no longer considered to be on the County Line?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your time,
>>>>
>>>> Steve KA9MOT
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:15:21 -0500
>>> From: "Jim Lang" <jimlang at comcast.net>
>>> To: <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: [ILQSO] Lake County
>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> I will be set up at home in Lake County.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim / KD9GY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:24:30 -0500
>>> From: "Brian S. McDaniel" <bsm60403 at gmail.com>
>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [ILQSO] Grundy County
>>> Message-ID: <542EE9DE.1050807 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> The Rainbow Council Boy Scouts will be on the air for Jamboree on the
>>> Air on the same day as the Illinois QSO Party.
>>>
>>> Look for K9RSR on 80/40/20/10 from EN51th. Hope to work you all.
>>> --
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Brian McDaniel
>>> KC4LMD
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:55:34 -0500
>>> From: Tom Pennebaker <n4rs at iamotelephone.com>
>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>> Message-ID: <542EFF36.1050105 at iamotelephone.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>>
>>> */The Rules/*
>>>
>>> *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
>>> <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
>>> county lines in the rules.*
>>>
>>> *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio
>>> Awards Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they issued
>>> the following rules for county lines: *
>>>
>>> *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
>>> geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of the
>>> location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed beside a
>>> highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
>>> county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a cattle
>>> gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
>>> changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a indication
>>> of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
>>> means of identifying a county line is available, these markers may
>>> be used.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May 2000,
>>> GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
>>> accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
>>> upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both counties.
>>> A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
>>> county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
>>> water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
>>> described boundary.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
>>> County Line can be located as described above and can be run
>>> SAFELY.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
>>> county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
>>> *
>>>
>>> ************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:09:06 -0500
>>> From: "Danny Pease" <dpease at adams.net>
>>> To: "'Illinois QSO Party'" <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Even MARAC gives no distance, they simply state a vehicle must occupy
>>> both
>>> counties and do not allow more than two counties to be occupied at the
>>> same
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Since most portable operations do not operate out of a vehicle, it might
>>> be
>>> easier to have parts of the operation on two counties or more at the same
>>> time, but doing so safely is almost impossible when it comes to a road
>>> being
>>> involved. Because of the ILQSO rules allow for more than two counties
>>> at a
>>> time to be activated, there has to be a little bit of leeway in what is
>>> close enough for the sake of safety.
>>>
>>> Besides that, we do not want to discourage our multi-county operations
>>> from
>>> going out by forcing them into a dangerous situation. I suppose we ought
>>> to
>>> set a number of feet as being close enough to make it a little clearer.
>>>
>>> MARAC mentions an accuracy of 20 meters as being acceptable when using a
>>> GPS. Maybe that would be a good starting point, but that does require you
>>> know the exact intersection to measure from, another variable.
>>>
>>> NG9R
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
>>> Pennebaker
>>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:56 PM
>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>
>>> */The Rules/*
>>>
>>> *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
>>> <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
>>> county
>>> lines in the rules.*
>>>
>>> *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio Awards
>>> Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they issued the
>>> following rules for county lines: *
>>>
>>> *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
>>> geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of the
>>> location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed beside a
>>> highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
>>> county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a cattle
>>> gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
>>> changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a indication
>>> of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
>>> means of identifying a county line is available, these markers may
>>> be used.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May 2000,
>>> GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
>>> accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
>>> upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both counties.
>>> A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
>>> county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
>>> water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
>>> described boundary.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
>>> County Line can be located as described above and can be run
>>> SAFELY.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
>>> county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
>>> *
>>>
>>> ************
>>>
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:51:10 -0500
>>> From: Fritz Bock <wd9fmb at gmail.com>
>>> To: Illinois QSO Party <ilqso at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> I think the IL QSO FAQ's do a great job on answering the question of a
>>> county corner...nice and simple.....
>>>
>>> Q: I want to operate from a three or four county corner. I think I know
>>> the exact location of the corner (from a map or posted signs), but how
>>> close do I have to park to this spot to qualify?
>>>
>>> *A: The traditional answer to this has been: ?As close as possible,
>>> keeping
>>> safety uppermost in mind.? To claim three or four counties, the operator
>>> should 1) As nearly as possible, locate the exact corner; 2) Find a safe
>>> spot as close as possible to the corner to set up the station; 3) Obtain
>>> permission from land-owners if at all possible; 4) Arrange portions of
>>> the
>>> antenna system to be physically placed in all three (or four) counties if
>>> possible.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fritz Bock
>>> WD9FMB
>>> 309-256-2297
>>> IL ARES District 7, DEC
>>> Peoria County ARES EC
>>> www.peoriacountyares.org
>>> www.W9UVI.org
>>> ARRL PIO, IL Section
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Danny Pease <dpease at adams.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Even MARAC gives no distance, they simply state a vehicle must occupy
>>>>
>>> both
>>>
>>>> counties and do not allow more than two counties to be occupied at the
>>>>
>>> same
>>>
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Since most portable operations do not operate out of a vehicle, it might
>>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>> easier to have parts of the operation on two counties or more at the
>>>> same
>>>> time, but doing so safely is almost impossible when it comes to a road
>>>> being
>>>> involved. Because of the ILQSO rules allow for more than two counties
>>>>
>>> at a
>>>
>>>> time to be activated, there has to be a little bit of leeway in what is
>>>> close enough for the sake of safety.
>>>>
>>>> Besides that, we do not want to discourage our multi-county operations
>>>>
>>> from
>>>
>>>> going out by forcing them into a dangerous situation. I suppose we ought
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> set a number of feet as being close enough to make it a little clearer.
>>>>
>>>> MARAC mentions an accuracy of 20 meters as being acceptable when using a
>>>> GPS. Maybe that would be a good starting point, but that does require
>>>> you
>>>> know the exact intersection to measure from, another variable.
>>>>
>>>> NG9R
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ILQSO [mailto:ilqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
>>>> Pennebaker
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:56 PM
>>>> To: ILQSO at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: [ILQSO] COUNTY LINES by MARAC RULES
>>>>
>>>> */The Rules/*
>>>>
>>>> *The USA-CA award sponsored by CQ magazine
>>>> <http://members.aol.com/cqmagazine/usacarul.htm> makes no mention of
>>>> county
>>>> lines in the rules.*
>>>>
>>>> *The major county hunting organization MARAC (Mobile Amateur Radio
>>>> Awards
>>>> Club) also issues many county hunting awards. In 2000 they issued the
>>>> following rules for county lines: *
>>>>
>>>> *A county-line is that legally defined boundary separating two
>>>> geographic and/or administrative regions. The best evidence of the
>>>> location of a county-line is the marker permanently placed beside a
>>>> highway. The marker will be assumed to be correctly placed for
>>>> county-hunting purposes, except for those at wet lines.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *Other devices may be found on secondary roadways, such as, a
>>>> cattle
>>>> gate, or a monument placed in the fence line. Frequently, too,
>>>> changes in the composition of the roadway surface are a indication
>>>> of county boundaries. For county hunting purposes, when no other
>>>> means of identifying a county line is available, these markers may
>>>> be used.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *With the degradation of GPS having been turned off on 1 May 2000,
>>>> GPS may be useful as an aid in locating county-lines. While the
>>>> accuracy of GPS is now a nominal +/- 20 meters, it may be relied
>>>> upon only when other markers and evidence are not apparent.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *A county-line may be run with credit being given for both
>>>> counties.
>>>> A part of the vehicle must be in each of the counties. Thus, a
>>>> county-line may not be credited if the mobile is in motion.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *A county-line may be wet, that is, a watercourse (river, lake,
>>>> water reservoir, creek, brook, stream) may cover the legally
>>>> described boundary.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *A wet line may be run for county-hunting credit as long as the
>>>> County Line can be located as described above and can be run
>>>> SAFELY.*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *Three and four county lines may not be run simultaneously for
>>>> county-hunting credit...........................Tom N4RS
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> ************
>>>>
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