Tnx all for the input.... what's one more antenna anyhow....poor passat roof vw radio hf screwdriver ( 706) dualbander ( 706) dualbander 144/440 (2710) 220 1/4 wave ( adi ) and don't forget the hershey kiss magnet dualbander for passenger's talkies !! ( dayton trip) tnx bill NY9H pictures on Epson's FREE Photo site: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1771119&a=13683578