[HSMM-COS] Fwd: Re: Add My Node(s) to the map!

[TC Johnson]

Great email! Looks like a solid direction to not include amps at first.

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On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Bill Bishop <hsmm at wrbishop.com> wrote:

> Parts Dialogue from Jim:
>
>
>
> Well as a preview, we go to L-com.com, fab-corp.com and Titan Wireless
> (who has a store locally)
>
> NEMA 4X Die Cast Aluminum Enclosure 10 x 8 x 3 inches :
> http://www.fab-corp.com/product.php?productid=16377&cat=278&page=1 $34.95
>
> 11196 N Female Chassis Mnt 4 Hole Chassis Mount
> http://www.aaradio.com/belton/Catalog_Site/Connectors.html
> <http://www.aaradio.com/belton/Catalog_Site/Connectors.html> $3.95 (2
> per node, 4 if 2 boards in a box)
>
>
>   *2.4 GHz 24 dBi Die Cast Mini-Reflector Grid Antenna - N-Male
>   Connector
>
> http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-24-dbi-die-cast-mini-reflector-grid-antenna-n-male-connector
>   <
> http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-24-dbi-die-cast-mini-reflector-grid-antenna-n-male-connector%A0
> >
>   $45*
>
> 5-pack of above
>
> http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-ghz-24-dbi-die-cast-mini-reflector-grid-antenna-n-male-connector-5-pack
> $200.00
>
>
> CAT5
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cerrowire-1-000-ft-24-4-Gauge-Category-5e-Riser-Gray-Internet-Wire-2700-0104K5/202206479#.UbDuMFJcT-4
> <
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cerrowire-1-000-ft-24-4-Gauge-Category-5e-Riser-Gray-Internet-Wire-2700-0104K5/202206479#.UbDuMFJcT-4%A0
> >
> $75.00 / 1,000 feet
>
> RJ45 crimps:
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ideal-RJ45-Module-Plugs-50-Pack-85-396/202276270#.UbDup1JcT-4
> <
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ideal-RJ45-Module-Plugs-50-Pack-85-396/202276270#.UbDup1JcT-4%A0
> >
> $17.98 / 50
>
>
> Notice... NO AMPS  :-)
>
> Look around those sites for other gear, like verticals and other odds
> and ends. Great resources.
>
> KTF
>
>
>
> At 08:38 PM 8/22/2013, you wrote:
> > That's great Jim,
> >
> >  I look forward to seeing your gear recommendations.   I went the
> > rootenna route for the directional, and a $25 vertical.
> >
> >  Thanks again!
> >
> > ->Bill
> >
> > On 08/22/2013 07:02 PM, Jim Kinter Jr. wrote:
> > > Hi Bill,
> > >
> > > Im glad you understand why I try to downplay the amps.
> > > If you cannot get a connection at all, and throw an amp in the mix,
> > > your just upping the noise floor for nothing.
> > >
> > > We understand many new meshers come from HF VHF/UHF, where having an
> > > amp is almost an automatic thing to make more contacts.
> > > And it is definitely not so once you play up here. I came up those
> > > ranks with those same thoughts as well, and until I actually made my
> > > first "Mesh DX" contact (6.3 miles from the bed of my truck), I
> > > thought the same.
> > > Once I did that though, I changed my way of thinking and now promote
> > > amp-less QSO's.
> > > (My personal saying for HF is "QRP for me is anything under 100
> > > watts!" :-) WAY different for Ghz)
> > >
> > > I can usually get 2 dishes at $50 each, an enclosure for $35ish, a
> > > node for 0-30 dollars, CAT5 I have a 100' box out in the shop (about
> > > $70), and then the lightning protection about $75-80. I can usually
> > > keep it under $300 for a 1-node-2Dish setup.
> > > We will be adding a section to the site of recommended sites and gear
> > > to buy very shortly.
> > >
> > > 73 and happy meshing!
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 10:02 AM 8/22/2013, Bill Bishop wrote:
> > >> Hi Jim,
> > >>
> > >>    Since I do wish to abide by part 97 rules, I will try to connect
> > >> without amps first; the nearest sites are currently over 10mi, but
> > >> hopefully soon we'll have more that are closer.     The 2 watt amps
> > were
> > >> actually 2X less expensive than the 1 watt one (go figure).
> > >>
> > >>   I've been unable to connect with TC (KD0KWW), but the high-gain
> > >> antenna will be here Friday, and I'll work with that first.   We just
> > >> received "verbal" permission to install nodes on two of the local
> > >> hospital rooftops.
> > >>
> > >>   I think you're right to encourage good antennas as the first line of
> > >> connectedness, and appreciate the benefit of your experience.
> > >>
> > >>  BTW, I found that installing a "permanent" node (mast, antennas,
> > >> lightning arrestors (coax & ethernet), weatherproof housings, router,
> > >> cables & connectors, POE injector/splitter, ...)  is around $500 (not
> > >> including amps).
> > >>
> > >>  Best regards,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ->Bill
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 08/22/2013 08:24 AM, Jim Kinter Jr. wrote:
> > >> > Thanks Bill, your on the map!
> > >> >
> > >> > Im curious, is there a reason for throwing the amps on there?
> > >> > Were you able to get connectivity with other sites first, and
> > they are
> > >> > weak?
> > >> >
> > >> > Usually we dont touch amps until we make connections (10 miles+) and
> > >> > then need to stiffen a weak link up with 1/2W or 1W.
> > >> > 95% of the time, we dont need them at all, if we have good antennas
> > >> > and good aim.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have only ONE link where we found we need one, and Ill bet if we
> > >> > were to reorient the dish at the one end, it would fix the problem.
> > >> > I think the roof is cutting into the fresnel zone, and if I
> > raised the
> > >> > dish, I think it would fix it.
> > >> >
> > >> > (as you can tell, we try to discourage willy nilly amp usage :-)  )
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 73!
> > >> > Jim
> > >> > K5KTF
>
>
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