[Heathkit] Paint gun for boat anchors

jeremy-ca km1h at jeremy.mv.com
Fri Apr 13 19:07:39 EDT 2007 

Heh heh! Good one Duane. Ive mellowed over the years but some just set me 
off.

No ham radios in any vehicle I own, rod, or daily beater. Never cared much 
for mobile the few times I tried it back with an NCX-5, way too easy to get 
distracted. Dont own any FM gear. Dont even have ham plates; when I did it 
was an invitation for thieves. I do run into a fair number of hams at car 
shows; I guess we are all gearheads at heart.

No radio at all in the 26T coupe. With a supercharged flathead V8 
and"almost" straight pipes I couldnt hear it anyway! I use it to scare rice 
rockets and 5.0 Mustangs; at only 2200 # it literally leaps off the line.

The 53 Ford Vicky is a full custom, warmed up flathead with a nice lopey 
cam,  and a simple Pioneer AM/FM in the dash. Built it in 74, redid it again 
in 2004. Comfortable local cruiser altho its been on a few 1000 mile trips.

And the 68 Impala SS-396 convertible came with a straight AM but I found a 
proper year AM-FM Multiplex plus 8 track on Ebay. Im keeping that car 
unmodified and just adding factory options as I find them. The price for 
some items is outta sight! Thats the family summer and vacation cruiser so 
an old Cobra CB (boo) rides in the trunk if needed. Drove it up from NC 12 
years ago. Goes like hell and still gets 16mpg on trips.

Little GTO huh! I bought a 64 convertible, 389 tripower, 4spd Muncie and 
4.10 posi rear new out of the showroom. Had to sell it in 67 so I could come 
up with the downpayment on my first house that May. Still married to the 
same old lady!

Carl


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Fischer, W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
To: "jeremy-ca" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>; "C E" <catman351 at yahoo.com>; 
<heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Heathkit] Paint gun for boat anchors


> Chill Carl. Don't let those manifold flames scorch your shorts guy! No 
> sense in burning an intake vale or blowing a head gasket over this stuff. 
> As the song says: "Wind it up, blow it out, little GTO etc."
>
> Sooner or later, those who over rev either their motor or their mouth, 
> find a rod seeking low Earth orbit!
>
> So Carl, what kind of radio in the Hot Rods, custom machines or almost 
> street legal machines?
>
>
> Duane Fischer, W8DBF/WPE8CXO
> dfischer at usol.com
> HHI: Halligan's Hallicrafters International
> http://www.w9wze.net
> HHRP: Historic Halligan Radio Project
> hhrp.w9wze.net
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jeremy-ca" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
> To: "C E" <catman351 at yahoo.com>; <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] Paint gun for boat anchors
>
>
>> Well, I did and there is no mention BEFORE your later whining reply.
>> Id rather prattle than be senile.
>>
>> And as I own both an airbrush with CO2 cans as well as a mini gun and a 
>> HVLP of both sizes I can damn well advocate what I wish without your 
>> input.
>> If a person already has or is contemplating a compressor for whatever 
>> reason the HVLP is a cost effective and SUPERIOR tool. It is not the only 
>> tool.
>>
>> If you dont appreciate my professional input, so be it, no loss to me. Im 
>> sure some others do.
>>
>> Dont bother replying unless you feel getting in the last word is an 
>> obsession with you.
>>
>> I have nothing further to say on the subject unless it is a painting 
>> question directed to me. Or you can find me on several hot rod and 
>> autobody forums.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "C E" <catman351 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "jeremy-ca" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>; <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] Paint gun for boat anchors
>>
>>
>>> Carl,
>>> Please stop the prattle. Go back to all of my posts
>>> regarding this and see that I mentioned these things.
>>>
>>> The bottom line is that despite your advocating HVLP
>>> systems, a model paint gun system is perrrrrfectly
>>> adequate so you don't have to $pend lot$ of $$$ on
>>> $etting up an HVLP $y$tem.
>>>
>>> You may do this for a living. Some of us don't.
>>>
>>> Cal
>>> --- jeremy-ca <km1h at jeremy.mv.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suggest that you proof read your comments before
>>>> posting. Nowhere was
>>>> Badger or air can mentioned.
>>>>
>>>> I use a nice quality import dual action airbrush and
>>>> CO2 cans when set up at
>>>> car shows to do custom touches such as color
>>>> blending flames, panel
>>>> painting, etc. The brush kit is $30, probably less
>>>> expensive than a new
>>>> Badger.
>>>>
>>>> I still wouldnt use it on a large panel nor would I
>>>> buy anything from the HF
>>>> junk shop.
>>>> HF set up in MA some years ago. They had so many
>>>> consumer complaints that
>>>> the state shut them down.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "C E" <catman351 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "jeremy-ca" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>;
>>>> <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:39 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] Paint gun for boat anchors
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Uh, no, Carh, sorry but you are wrong!
>>>> >
>>>> > I just told you I redid an entire 32V2 cabinet
>>>> using a
>>>> > Badger "model" spray system and canned air.
>>>> Results
>>>> > were fantastic!
>>>> >
>>>> > I believe its equivalent is the one they were
>>>> talking
>>>> > about for 10$ on Harbor Freight. You can use a
>>>> > compressor. I borrowed mine from a friend later on
>>>> but
>>>> > the canned air sufficed. And it costs much less
>>>> than
>>>> > $50. I don't know why it didn't work for you but
>>>> it
>>>> > sure did for me. Got lots of complements on that
>>>> > restored 32V2. I'll be glad to do it again the
>>>> same
>>>> > way I did the last time!
>>>> >
>>>> > Cal. N6KYR/8
>>>> >
>>>> > --- jeremy-ca <km1h at jeremy.mv.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> What do you call a "model gun system" ?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> IMO an airbrush is way too small for many
>>>> boatanchor
>>>> >> jobs. Nozzle sizes are
>>>> >> in the 0.3mm range and each painting pass covers
>>>> >> only about an inch or so.
>>>> >> Cheap airbrushes are single action and internal
>>>> mix.
>>>> >> The better ones are
>>>> >> dual action with external mix. And mini
>>>> compressors
>>>> >> of any quality are not
>>>> >> cheap.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The next step up would be called a mini gun aka
>>>> "Jam
>>>> >> Gun". These are gravity
>>>> >> feed non HVLP but still require at least a 1hp
>>>> >> compressor. These are popular
>>>> >> for larger models such as RC planes and nozzle
>>>> sizes
>>>> >> are in the 0.6 to 1.0
>>>> >> mm range. You can get decent coverage but they
>>>> lack
>>>> >> the finesse of the
>>>> >> HVLP's wide range of adjustments.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I own several airbrushes and mini guns but dont
>>>> use
>>>> >> them for radio work.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Examples of both types can be found from that
>>>> Ebay
>>>> >> vendor I referenced
>>>> >> earlier.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> With many homeowners purchasing moderate size
>>>> >> compressors these days for air
>>>> >> tools, wood working, and many other uses, the
>>>> >> addition of a nice HVLP touch
>>>> >> up gun will set him back under $50 including
>>>> >> regulator and in line filter.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Carl
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> >> From: "C E" <catman351 at yahoo.com>
>>>> >> To: "jeremy-ca" <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>;
>>>> >> <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:41 AM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] Paint gun for boat
>>>> anchors
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Carl:
>>>> >> > HVLP is not a practical cost effective method
>>>> for
>>>> >> hams
>>>> >> > who want to do restoration on an occassional
>>>> 1-2
>>>> >> piece
>>>> >> > per year type affair. Besides,a properly set up
>>>> >> model
>>>> >> > gun system will be quite adequate (and can
>>>> >> produced
>>>> >> > museum quality results). BTDT.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Besides, I don't think you can find HVLP hobby
>>>> >> type
>>>> >> > systems for under $75.00. Big diff.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Cal
>>>> >> > --- jeremy-ca <km1h at jeremy.mv.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> Altho conventional guns have been around for a
>>>> >> >> century it took experience
>>>> >> >> and skill to lay down a pro quality job.
>>>> >> >> The learning curve for HVLP is very quick, you
>>>> >> >> really have to TRY to leave
>>>> >> >> runs and orange peel.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> There is a big difference between museum
>>>> quality
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> >> a typical basement ham
>>>> >> >> type job so use the tools that fit the job.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Carl
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> >> >> From: "C E" <catman351 at yahoo.com>
>>>> >> >> To: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:40 AM
>>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] Paint gun for boat
>>>> >> anchors
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > HVLP-High volume Low Pressure. This is
>>>> >> something
>>>> >> >> that
>>>> >> >> > the painting industry came out to prevent
>>>> >> material
>>>> >> >> > coming out of the gun from staying in the
>>>> air
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> >> > going to the target paint piece. I
>>>> personally
>>>> >> >> don't
>>>> >> >> > like them  because I feel that I can get a
>>>> >> better
>>>> >> >> > spray with conventional paint guns.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > Rattle cans are fine but remember that they
>>>> >> have
>>>> >> >> > limits. I'd opt to use a model paint gun and
>>>> a
>>>> >> >> hobby
>>>> >> >> > compressor for most BA work. In fact, that
>>>> is
>>>> >> how
>>>> >> >> I
>>>> >> >> > painted a 32V2 cabinet.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > --- k0ewu9 at juno.com wrote:
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> Stupid me wants to know-  What is "HVLP"
>>>> and
>>>> >> how
>>>> >> >> >> does it work? I have not
>>>> >> >> >> graduated beyond the "Rattle cans"
>>>> >> >> >> old jack
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:13:48 -0400
>>>> "jeremy-ca"
>>>> >> >> >> <km1h at jeremy.mv.com>
>>>> >> >> >> writes:
>>>> >> >> >> > As someone who has been painting custom
>>>> >> cars,
>>>> >> >> hot
>>>>
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