[Heathkit] question from a non-Ham
Duane Fischer, W8DBF
dfischer at usol.com
Sun Jul 2 11:37:01 EDT 2006
Bob (the Wolf)
I just discovered a "still sealed" copy of Dave Brubeck's "Two Generations
Of Brubeck" done by Atlantic in 1974. Would you be interested in having a
copy on CD remastered by me "my way"? As i recall I owe you a favor, so if
interested, please let me know.
Several on this list have copies of my work and I think they will affirm
that for a guy who can't see what the heck he is doing, I get the spindell
in the hole when it comes to vinyl salvation.
Duane W8DBF
----- Original Message -----
From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob at csnsys.com>
To: "Robert & Linda McGraw K4TAX" <RMcGraw at Blomand.Net>;
<heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Heathkit] question from a non-Ham
>I fully agree with Bob. Today things are a mess. There are some small
>indies trying to do it right, but they are very hard to find and if and
>when they do find some talent it is snatched away by the big bucks and back
>to lousy audio.
>
> I have found some good sounding CDs however. Not too many.. My current
> favorite is "The Dave Brubeck Quartet at Carnegie Hall". The remastering
> is exemplatory so Sony does occasionally make a mistake and do it right.
> Of course Columbia did the original in 1963, but at least Sony didn't
> destroy it. Great talent and great audio.
>
> WBob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert & Linda McGraw K4TAX" <RMcGraw at Blomand.Net>
> To: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] question from a non-Ham
>
>
>> Duane mentions RCA Studio B in Nashville. They were on 17th Ave So.
>> That brings back memories as I spent 15 years across the block at CBS
>> studios on 16th Ave So. Specifically, the Quonset hut built by Owen
>> Bradley in Nashville. Some years after being recorded and after the
>> fact, we pulled a 1/2" master 3 track 15 IPS analog tape out of the vault
>> and was playing it. Several "current" musicians had gathered in the
>> studio prior to an upcoming session. Comments like, "man how did you get
>> such fantastic sound?" were heard around the room. I just smiled and
>> went on about my work.
>>
>> Well the formula is quite simple, all the musicians were in the room
>> playing at the same time, listening to each other without benefit of
>> headphones, and it was recorded in true stereo, Left, Center, and Right,
>> typical of 3 track fashion. Recording groups like Flatt and Scruggs
>> required a total of 3 or maybe 4 microphones. One for the vocals, one
>> for the instruments, and one for the upright bass and one for the "room".
>> As each instrument took a lead, the player simply stepped into the mike
>> and picked and then stepped back. Same for the vocals. The recording
>> engineer would make only minor adjustments to levels and EQ settings.
>> The "band" made the real adjustments acoustically. As to a drum kit, 3
>> mikes was the norm in those days.
>>
>> Well in later years, on one session I did have a good chuckle with one
>> group, one producer, and one drummer. After it was over, I smiled all the
>> way to the bank. But in the mean time, I finally got them happy with 18
>> mikes on the drum kit alone, being top toms (3), bottom toms (3) , top
>> snare (2), bottom snare (1), left kick (1), right kick(1), top hat (2),
>> crash left (2), crash right (2) and finally 1 overhead. There were 4
>> mikes on Edgar Winters Fender pre CBS tube type Twin Reverb guitar amp
>> that was cranked to the max, and 3 mikes on brother Johnny's vocals.
>> Each was in a isolation booth. Interestingly, the Koss headphones on the
>> drummers head finally quit working when they literally produced smoke
>> while on his head! How loud were the phones? I never bothered to
>> measure. In one case after a session, I did stick a B & K sound level
>> meter between the earpieces and measured 140 dB SPL, average A weighted.
>> Deaf? You bet. Pain, you bet.
>>
>> Today, we listen to music composed of 9 billion tracks of overdubs,
>> digitally recorded and compressed, processed, EQ'd, edited, pitch shifted
>> because no one can actually play or sing on pitch, de-S'ed, de- popped,
>> gated and it is all recorded mostly in boring mono. It is then remixed
>> multiple times to fake stereo with more effects added and we call it
>> great. They actually give Grammy's for this crap. Until you've stood in
>> a studio and listened to a 21 piece band actually blow, you don't have a
>> clue. I've been there and done that. It's great. The largest session I
>> ever worked had 31 musicians in the studio at one time. That was a Kris
>> Kristofferson written song, recorded by Ray Price on analog 4 track. Don
>> Law was the producer, Cam Mullins was the arranger. Grady Martin played
>> lead guitar. Listen to it, it is real music.
>>
>> And yes, due to age my hearing is diminished, but not diminished due to
>> loud. I've always said that it is easy to be loud as it only takes
>> money. To be good, well that's another chapter in the book that few will
>> ever attain.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Duane Fischer W8DBF" <dfischer at usol.com>
>> To: "wolfbob" <wolfbob at csnsys.com>; <k4oah at mindspring.com>
>> Cc: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] question from a non-Ham
>>
>>
>>> You tell them Bob! (This man knows his audio!). Put up a pair of James
>>> B. Lansing Century L-100 and feed them 35 watts pure continuous RMS and
>>> something recorded in the RCA Nashville studio B and you will have all
>>> the highs your neighbor's dogs can stand and enough clean bass to
>>> vibrate the dirt out of your carpeting! "Good" speakers and amplifiers
>>> do not need a lot of power to be efficient.
>>>
>>> Bob I can still hear a Flea break wind at a thousand yards, a cat fight
>>> ten houses down the street and hear down to 32 Hz. I also spent thirty
>>> years on stage, but earplugs can do great things for performers, if they
>>> bother to use them!
>>>
>>> Duane w8DBF
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "wolfbob" <wolfbob at csnsys.com>
>>> To: <k4oah at mindspring.com>
>>> Cc: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 5:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] question from a non-Ham
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm not too sure that there are any that can hear anything anymore. The
>>>> youth seem to run everything at 115dB and distorted wiping out any
>>>> hearing they were born with and we old farts cant hear much over 10K
>>>> anymore. I am now specializing in trying to get clean bass...another
>>>> end of the spectrum that is being ruined...but once you find a
>>>> reproducer that can deliver and a source that has not already been
>>>> clobbered, it sure sounds neat...
>>>>
>>>> WBob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Garey Barrell" <k4oah at mindspring.com>
>>>> Cc: <heathkit at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:39 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Heathkit] question from a non-Ham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, the ones who CAN hear the difference, have nothing to
>>>>> compare it against, since the "music" they listen to is _performed_
>>>>> with intentional distortion, including voices. That is, at least
>>>>> those who haven't already killed the high frequency response of their
>>>>> ears with jet engine level sounds at concerts!
>>>>>
>>>>> Those of us who remember what "real" instruments sound like can't hear
>>>>> the overtones that make them "real" anymore, due to advancing age.
>>>>>
>>>>> All in all, a win-win situation for all concerned!
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Garey - K4OAH
>>>>> Atlanta
>>>>>
>>>>> Drake 2-B, 4-B & C-Line Service Data
>>>>> <http://www.k4oah.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Brannigan wrote:
>>>>>> For many yearsI have had a better than average Hi-FI set up and have
>>>>>> a pretty good ear for music.
>>>>>> I've listened to songs on the kids iPod Nano and am amazed at the
>>>>>> sound quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> PS get your license and join the fun!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it's not an isolated sign in traditional hobbies. Example: I
>>>>>>> have been interested in High Fidelity audio for as long as that of
>>>>>>> radio. Building kits of amplifiers, tuners, equalizers, both tube &
>>>>>>> solid state were (are) a long-time passion. But kit-companies like
>>>>>>> Heath and Dynaco have long since disappeared.
>>>>>>> And 20-somethings I am friendly with have NO conception of hi-fi
>>>>>>> reproduction. None! They think their iPod and/or MP-3s played on
>>>>>>> that Best Buy abomination are the best that can be achieved in
>>>>>>> musical reproduction!
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