[Heathkit] Scam alert - beware of DAN COTSIRILOS K9DTC

[Garey Barrell]

There is an excellent "standard" for grading Drake equipment that is 
well distributed.  It was adapted from a similar standard used by the 
Collins group.

Collins
<*http://tinyurl.com/exvza>*

Drake
<*http://tinyurl.com/88col>

Neither standard is perfect, but at least by specifying one or the other 
you have a description accessible to both parties that is explained in 
plain language.   There is nothing more useless as a description than 
"clean", or "8.5 out of 10" since no two people will  _EVER_   interpret 
them the same way.
*

73, Garey - K4OAH
Atlanta

Drake C-Line Service Manual
<http://www.k4oah.com>



Edward B Richards wrote:

>Duane is correct and offers good advice. I think we need to agree on a
>set of terms to describe the condition of equipment. Very few people
>would consider holes in the front panel "clean". "clean" does not mean
>just free of dirt. It means free of damage, defacing, holes, dents,
>bends, missing parts, etc. I think Dan mis-represented the condition and
>should refund Ron's money and pay shipping both ways if he wants the
>equipment back. 
>
>Another much mis-used term is "mint". I don't see it as much recently,
>but every now and then. "Mint" means the same as the day it was
>manufactured. It comes from coin collector's vocabulary and means the
>same condition as when it was minted. For radios, it means never taken
>out of the box and used. Even fingerprints on a piece of equipment keeps
>it from being "mint".
>
>73, Ed Richards, K6UUZ
>Simi Valley, California, 93065
>Home of Air Force 1 Pavilion
>
>On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:25:28 -0500 "Duane Fischer, W8DBF"
><dfischer at usol.com> writes:
>  
>
>>To All List Subscribers:         
>>        
>>This is an example of how communications can go awry when electronic 
>>messages
>>are used in place of voice communications. It is very easy for one 
>>person to
>>misunderstand the other when written words are used as the 
>>communications
>>medium, as what Bob understands "very clean" to be is not 
>>necessarily what Tom
>>defines it as being. I strongly suggest to each of you, to use the 
>>telephone and
>>talk with the seller. If you 'sense' that what he is saying is vague 
>>in your
>>opinion, you can immediately ask him to elaborate, clarify something 
>>or be more
>>specific, about a certain issue. While this can also be done by 
>>e-mail, often
>>times the momentary thought may be forgotten by the time you 
>>conclude reading
>>the post, or get interrupted by a family pet that needs to use the 
>>bathroom, or
>>a XYL calling you for chow etc. When on the telephone you can ask 
>>what you want
>>to know right then and there.        
>>        
>>Doing so avoids what has happened here! use the phone guys! it can 
>>save
>>friendships, prevent misunderstandings, eliminate negative posts 
>>such as this
>>that forever cast a shadow of doubt on a person's reputation (Even 
>>if proven
>>incorrect and retracted, the doubt never goes away!) and results in 
>>two happy
>>parties, seller and buyer.        
>>        
>>I encourage Ron and Dan to work this out on the landline and ask all 
>>of you to
>>reserve judgment as none of us have the facts before us to make our 
>>own
>>impartial evaluation and then draw conclusions.         
>>        
>>Duane Fische    
>>r, W8DBF 
>>    
>>