[HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
W6FVO
w6fvo at rschutte.com
Wed Nov 26 12:32:05 EST 2014
Basic info ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlHNcTGrkPI for those of us
who needed a little more information ..
Rob. Schutte
W6FVO
-----Original Message-----
From: HCARC [mailto:hcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kd5wdq .
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:24
To: Reflector
Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
Like to correct my second paragraph, the data packets are still received,
just not heard by using receive squelch.
--eddie AF5SA
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:12 AM, kd5wdq . <kd5wdq at gmail.com> wrote:
> Concur with getting club talk going - try to get Greg N5XO as he has
> most experience with Fusion in the area. If it happens, I'll show up
> for that meeting.
>
> As for data noise, the way it's mitigated in SA is to turn on receive
> squelch so the data packets no longer received and only voice gets
> thru.
>
> As a foot note, this might be a good way to get younger members
> involved, As it emulates more of the smart phone features.
>
> --eddie AF5SA
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Fred Gilmore <cw4evr at hctc.net> wrote:
>
>> Does it make any noise? We tried to add packet to the repeater a few
>> years ago and a few members said they would resign from the club if
>> it continued. Personally I don't think its worth the effort or cost.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary J - N5BAA" <
>> qltfnish at omniglobal.net>
>> To: "kd5wdq ." <kd5wdq at gmail.com>; "Reflector"
>> <hcarc at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:39 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>
>>
>> So I assume then the cost to the club to implement this system is
>> the
>>> price of the new repeater radios and club members wouldn't have to
>>> buy new equipment to interface with it?? How close are we to
>>> needing to replace the current repeater??
>>>
>>> I am too new to Ham Radio to have much imagination on this kind of
>>> technology. I am still enamored with talking on HF around the world.
>>> Someone should do a presentation for a club meeting on what Fusion
>>> adds to the system so a knowledgeable choice could be made. Would
>>> Fusion for instance increase our capability to support emergency
>>> comms in support of the Red Cross in our newly assigned 18 county area??
>>>
>>> Gary J
>>> N5BAA
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: kd5wdq .
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:10 AM
>>> To: Reflector
>>> Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>>
>>> No Fusion radio is required - analog radios work fine. Fusion is what
>>> D-Star wants to be. Conversion from analog to digital and back takes
>>> place in the repeater, so analog works with digital radios.
>>>
>>> Again, it's about the future applications - as you well know data is
>>> data.
>>> Want to integrate APRS to fusion, NP! (believe the APRS in Fusion
>>> radios is already passed to other Fusion HW as part of the data
>>> stream.) How about HSMM (now BBHN) integrated into Fusion data
>>> stream, just an idea, but wow! 2.4ghz short range with Fusion long
>>> range links.
>>> Use your imagination.
>>>
>>> --eddie AF5SA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Gary J - N5BAA <
>>> qltfnish at omniglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does a Fusion equipped repeater require a Fusion radio, or will it
>>> pass
>>>> simple voice from a normal hand held 2 meter rig too as the
>>>> repeater currently does?? Yaesu and I think Kenwood are Fusion and
>>>> Icom is something else that's been around longer. Reminds me of
Betamax vs ??
>>>> video from years ago. Besides letting Marilyn send Harvey a
>>>> picture of the shopping list he left on the table, what will it do
>>>> to improve our already underused 2 meter system in place now?? Or
>>>> is this another place to help fund radio mfgrs bottom line??
>>>>
>>>> Gary J
>>>> N5BAA
>>>>
>>>> "Amateur radio--a real time social network using radio waves"
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: kd5wdq .
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:37 PM
>>>> To: Kerry Sandstrom
>>>> Cc: Reflector
>>>> Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I disagree, the point of Fusion is voice AND data.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, pictures and user info is being transferred, but one
>>>> knows that it's the future applications that count. Like remote
>>>> control of HF via Fusion or the (fill in the blank).
>>>>
>>>> Sure, there's a weakness of people on the repeater everywhere, yet
>>>> if you provide more features, it will be used. That is actually
>>>> happening in San Antonio now. Linking is probably the nicest
>>>> thing about Fusion (and sharing data with the links).
>>>>
>>>> --eddie af5sa
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Kerry Sandstrom
>>>> <kerryk5ks at hughes.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bill and HCARC,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm moderately active on our club repeater. Despite the fact that
>>>>> I believe we have several club members who have only 2 meter
>>>>> equipment, I just don't hear many stations on the repeater. I
>>>>> don't think there is enough activity to support another repeater
>>>>> in the area. With a digital repeater, I believe only a small
>>>>> number of the locals would purchase a digital 2 meter rig.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I think the history of digital voice on VHF has been
>>>>> driven by the manufacturers and 2-way radio people. As i
>>>>> understand it, the two ways to meet the FCC 6.25 kHz bandwidth
>>>>> requirement is either with a trunked system where several stations
>>>>> share a small number of channels or by using digital techniques.
>>>>> I doubt that trunking has a role in ham radio.
>>>>> Digital could but we need to look at what the
>>>>> advantages/disadvantages are.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the disadvantage size, interference is not obvious with digital
>>>>> data.
>>>>> You really need 3 pieces of information, signal to noise ratio,
>>>>> signal strength and Eb/N0 (energy per bit / noise spectral
>>>>> density). You don't get the clues you get in an analog system
>>>>> where you hear the signal is noisy or you hear the heterodyne from
>>>>> another station. Some of the commercial/military non-voice data
>>>>> systems give you this info, but I don't know of any ham equipment
>>>>> that does. A second disadvantage is you may not be able to hear
>>>>> traffic on the channel that isn't addressed to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the advantage size, I don't know if it provides any better
>>>>> coverage than an analog system but it might. I also don't know
>>>>> what bandwidth it uses, but 6.25 kHz is probably a goal.
>>>>> Fortunately in our area and everywhere I've been recently
>>>>> bandwidth on 2 meters seems to not be an issue. Several years ago
>>>>> we changed from 30 kHz channels to 15 kHz channels. We also
>>>>> expanded the FM portion of the band from 146 - 148 MHz to 144.5
>>>>> (?) - 148 MHz. Now I'm lucky to hear 2 or 3 channels active in
>>>>> that whole spectrum.
>>>>>
>>>>> As everyone may or may not know, The big 3 from Japan are big in
>>>>> the two-way radio biz. The only market for analog FM may be hams.
>>>>> I'm convinced that most of their production is now digital VHF/UHF
radios.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> sure they would like to get rid of the analog FM business
>>>>> entirely. I think that is what d-star and Fusion is all about.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any event, I haven't seen anything to convince me that digital
>>>>> FM is the way to go for hams.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do the rest of you think? From what Bill says, we may get
>>>>> asked if we are interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/25/2014 12:11 PM, Bill Tynan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi HCARC:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg, N5XO is, as you can see, is very enthusiastic about this
>>>>>> Fusion business. He has been spending his own money to buy
>>>>>> repeaters for installation around the area. I don't know if he
>>>>>> would be willing to install one at our site here in Kerrville or
>>>>>> not, or if he would want some help from our club. I also don't
>>>>>> know if the Club would want to put up some money for all or part
>>>>>> of the cost of a Fusion repeater.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something to think about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't know the advantages of Fusion over D-Star or why
>>>>>> we would want or need either. Again, that's something to think
>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just thought I would pass it along.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Tynan, W3XO/5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: N5XO [mailto:n5xo at 144200.net]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:37 AM
>>>>>> Subject: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good morning ladies and gentleman...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you have been buried in a snow
>>>>>> drift some place for the past couple of years, you have most
>>>>>> likely heard about the new Yaesu System Fusion. There have been
>>>>>> some great articles and reviews in both QST and CQ Magazines over
>>>>>> the past 6 months and the Internet is filled with a wealth of
>>>>>> information and reviews of the new System Fusion and the products
>>>>>> that support it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Myself and the Unusual Suspects were blessed to been selected as
>>>>>> part of the original Yaesu Fusion BETA Team and as such we were
>>>>>> able to upgrade our
>>>>>> 443.025 Repeater to a new Yaesu System Fusion Repeater back in
>>>>>> early March of 2014 and have been working {and playing} with the
>>>>>> Fusion Radio' s and System for some time before everything
>>>>>> entered into the general public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have bought into the System Fusion Project so deeply that we
>>>>>> have purchased 3 additional repeaters and are in the process of
>>>>>> building a linked network of repeaters that will be offering
>>>>>> Amateur Radio Operators with a continuous communication system
>>>>>> {Analog or Digital} through out the region.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are hoping that our enthusiasm is infectious and that the
>>>>>> Unusual Suspects can play a major roll in promoting this exciting
>>>>>> new mode of operating for not only our local region but Central
Texas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the past month I have seen signs that many Hams are picking
>>>>>> up Fusion Radio's in one form or another, and that the excitement
>>>>>> and energy is increasing, or repeater activity is seeing more and
>>>>>> more increased Digital Activity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With our strong lead in this new technology, the Unusual Suspects
>>>>>> intend on taking the lead in promoting and putting to use this
>>>>>> new technology.
>>>>>> With
>>>>>> this in mind we are very excited to inform everyone of an all new
>>>>>> net that will be starting this evening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EVERY TUESDAY EVENING AT 7:PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ON 443.025 {GROUP MODE}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THE UNUSUAL SUSPECTS PRESENT THE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FUSION NET
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We intend on making the most of this technology and so we will be
>>>>>> checking into this net in a totally new fashion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To join the Fusion Net this evening, please put your radio in
>>>>>> Group mode.
>>>>>> This will display your call sign for the Net Control Operator to
>>>>>> log everyone in and allow everyone to see who is on the net.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This net will be focusing on the technology
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will be sending out over the repeater several TEXT reminders
>>>>>> today for the net.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> again the Unusual Suspects are proud to take the System Fusion
>>>>>> Lead and present
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Fusion Net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 443.025 Group Mode
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TUESDAY EVENINGS @ 7:PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NET CONTROL: Tim N9RO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE NET TO ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS WHO
>>>>>> HAVE YAESU FUSION RADIOS TO JOIN US TONIGHT. NO MATTER WHAT CLUB
>>>>>> AFFILIATION THEY ARE, THE UNCLUB IS FOR EVERYONE WITH EVERYONE
>>>>>> WELCOME TO JOIN IN.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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