[HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET

kd5wdq . kd5wdq at gmail.com
Wed Nov 26 12:23:41 EST 2014 

Like to correct my second paragraph, the data packets are still received,
just not heard by using receive squelch.

--eddie AF5SA

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:12 AM, kd5wdq . <kd5wdq at gmail.com> wrote:

> Concur with getting club talk going - try to get Greg N5XO as he has most
> experience
> with Fusion in the area.  If it happens, I'll show up for that meeting.
>
> As for data noise, the way it's mitigated in SA is to turn on receive
> squelch so the
> data packets no longer received and only voice gets thru.
>
> As a foot note, this might be a good way to get younger members involved,
>  As it
> emulates more of the smart phone features.
>
> --eddie AF5SA
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Fred Gilmore <cw4evr at hctc.net> wrote:
>
>> Does it make any noise?  We tried to add packet to the repeater a few
>> years ago and a few members said they would resign from the club if it
>> continued. Personally I don't think its worth the effort or cost.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary J - N5BAA" <
>> qltfnish at omniglobal.net>
>> To: "kd5wdq ." <kd5wdq at gmail.com>; "Reflector" <hcarc at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:39 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>
>>
>>  So I assume then the cost to the club to implement this system is the
>>> price of the new repeater radios and club members wouldn't have to buy new
>>> equipment to interface with it??  How close are we to needing to replace
>>> the current repeater??
>>>
>>> I am too new to Ham Radio to have much imagination on this kind of
>>> technology.  I am still enamored with talking on HF around the world.
>>> Someone should do a presentation for a club meeting on what Fusion adds to
>>> the system so a knowledgeable choice could be made.  Would Fusion for
>>> instance increase our capability to support emergency comms in support of
>>> the Red Cross in our newly assigned 18 county area??
>>>
>>> Gary J
>>> N5BAA
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: kd5wdq .
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:10 AM
>>> To: Reflector
>>> Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>>
>>> No Fusion radio is required - analog radios work fine.  Fusion is what
>>> D-Star wants to be.   Conversion from analog to digital and back takes
>>> place in the repeater, so analog works with digital radios.
>>>
>>> Again, it's about the future applications - as you well know data is
>>> data.
>>> Want to integrate APRS to fusion, NP!  (believe the APRS in Fusion
>>> radios
>>> is already passed to other Fusion HW as part of the data stream.)
>>> How about HSMM (now BBHN) integrated into Fusion data stream,
>>> just an idea, but wow!  2.4ghz short range with Fusion long range links.
>>> Use your imagination.
>>>
>>> --eddie AF5SA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Gary J - N5BAA <
>>> qltfnish at omniglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Does a Fusion equipped repeater require a Fusion radio, or will it pass
>>>> simple voice from a normal hand held 2 meter rig too as the repeater
>>>> currently does??  Yaesu and I think Kenwood are Fusion and Icom is
>>>> something else that's been around longer.  Reminds me of Betamax vs ??
>>>> video from years ago.  Besides letting Marilyn send Harvey a picture of
>>>> the
>>>> shopping list he left on the table, what will it do to improve our
>>>> already
>>>> underused 2 meter system in place now??  Or is this another place to
>>>> help
>>>> fund radio mfgrs bottom line??
>>>>
>>>> Gary J
>>>> N5BAA
>>>>
>>>> "Amateur radio--a real time social network using radio waves"
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: kd5wdq .
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:37 PM
>>>> To: Kerry Sandstrom
>>>> Cc: Reflector
>>>> Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I disagree, the point of Fusion is voice AND data.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, pictures and user info is being transferred, but one
>>>> knows that it's the future applications that count.  Like remote
>>>> control of HF via Fusion or the (fill in the blank).
>>>>
>>>> Sure, there's a weakness of people on the repeater everywhere,
>>>> yet if you provide more features, it will be used.  That is actually
>>>> happening in San Antonio now.   Linking is probably the nicest
>>>> thing about Fusion (and sharing data with the links).
>>>>
>>>> --eddie af5sa
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Kerry Sandstrom <kerryk5ks at hughes.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Bill and HCARC,
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm moderately active on our club repeater.  Despite the fact that I
>>>>> believe we have several club members who have only 2 meter equipment, I
>>>>> just don't hear many stations on the repeater.  I don't think there is
>>>>> enough activity to support another repeater in the area.  With a
>>>>> digital
>>>>> repeater, I believe only a small number of the locals would purchase a
>>>>> digital 2 meter rig.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I think the history of digital voice on VHF has been driven
>>>>> by
>>>>> the manufacturers and 2-way radio people.  As i understand it, the two
>>>>> ways
>>>>> to meet the FCC 6.25 kHz bandwidth requirement is either with a trunked
>>>>> system where several stations share a small number of channels or by
>>>>> using
>>>>> digital techniques.  I doubt that trunking has a role in ham radio.
>>>>> Digital could but we need to look at what the advantages/disadvantages
>>>>> are.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the disadvantage size, interference is not obvious with digital
>>>>> data.
>>>>> You really need 3 pieces of information, signal to noise ratio, signal
>>>>> strength and Eb/N0 (energy per bit / noise spectral density).  You
>>>>> don't
>>>>> get the clues you get in an analog system where you hear the signal is
>>>>> noisy or you hear the heterodyne from another station.  Some of the
>>>>> commercial/military non-voice data systems give you this info, but I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> know of any ham equipment that does.  A second disadvantage is you may
>>>>> not
>>>>> be able to hear traffic on the channel that isn't addressed to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the advantage size, I don't know if it provides any better coverage
>>>>> than an analog system but it might.  I also don't know what bandwidth
>>>>> it
>>>>> uses, but 6.25 kHz is probably a goal.  Fortunately in our area and
>>>>> everywhere I've been recently bandwidth on 2 meters seems to not be an
>>>>> issue.  Several years ago we changed from 30 kHz channels to 15 kHz
>>>>> channels.  We also expanded the FM portion of the band from 146 - 148
>>>>> MHz
>>>>> to 144.5 (?) - 148 MHz.  Now I'm lucky to hear 2 or 3 channels active
>>>>> in
>>>>> that whole spectrum.
>>>>>
>>>>> As everyone may or may not know, The big 3 from Japan are big in the
>>>>> two-way radio biz.  The only market for analog FM may be hams.  I'm
>>>>> convinced that most of their production is now digital VHF/UHF radios.
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> sure they would like to get rid of the analog FM business entirely.  I
>>>>> think that is what d-star and Fusion is all about.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any event, I haven't seen anything to convince me that digital FM is
>>>>> the way to go for hams.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do the rest of you think?  From what Bill says, we may get asked
>>>>> if
>>>>> we are interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/25/2014 12:11 PM, Bill Tynan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi HCARC:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greg, N5XO is, as you can see, is very enthusiastic about this Fusion
>>>>>> business. He has been spending his own money to buy repeaters for
>>>>>> installation around the area. I don't know if he would be willing to
>>>>>> install
>>>>>> one at our site here in Kerrville or not, or if he would want some
>>>>>> help
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> our club. I also don't know if the Club would want to put up some
>>>>>> money
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> all or part of the cost of a Fusion repeater.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something to think about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't know the advantages of Fusion over D-Star or why we
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> want or need either. Again, that's something to think about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just thought I would pass it along.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Tynan, W3XO/5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    _____
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: N5XO [mailto:n5xo at 144200.net]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:37 AM
>>>>>> Subject: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good morning ladies and gentleman...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                          Unless you have been buried in a snow drift
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> place for the past couple of years, you have most likely heard about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> Yaesu System Fusion. There have been some great articles and reviews
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> QST and CQ Magazines over the past 6 months and the Internet is filled
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> a wealth of information and reviews of the new System Fusion and the
>>>>>> products that support it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Myself and the Unusual Suspects were blessed to been selected as part
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> original Yaesu Fusion BETA Team and as such we were able to upgrade
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> 443.025 Repeater to a new Yaesu System Fusion Repeater back in early
>>>>>> March
>>>>>> of 2014 and have been working {and playing} with the Fusion Radio' s
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> System for some time before everything entered into the general
>>>>>> public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have bought into the System Fusion Project so deeply that we have
>>>>>> purchased 3 additional repeaters and are in the process of building a
>>>>>> linked
>>>>>> network of repeaters that will be offering Amateur Radio Operators
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>> continuous communication system {Analog or Digital} through out the
>>>>>> region.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are hoping that our enthusiasm is infectious and that the Unusual
>>>>>> Suspects can play a major roll in promoting this exciting new mode of
>>>>>> operating for not only our local region but Central Texas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the past month I have seen signs that many Hams are picking up
>>>>>> Fusion
>>>>>> Radio's in one form or another, and that the excitement and energy is
>>>>>> increasing, or repeater activity is seeing more and more increased
>>>>>> Digital
>>>>>> Activity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With our strong lead in this new technology, the Unusual Suspects
>>>>>> intend
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> taking the lead in promoting and putting to use this new technology.
>>>>>> With
>>>>>> this in mind we are very excited to inform everyone of an all new net
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> will be starting this evening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EVERY TUESDAY EVENING AT 7:PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ON 443.025 {GROUP MODE}
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THE UNUSUAL SUSPECTS PRESENT THE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FUSION NET
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We intend on making the most of this technology and so we will be
>>>>>> checking
>>>>>> into this net in a totally new fashion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To join the Fusion Net this evening, please put your radio in Group
>>>>>> mode.
>>>>>> This will display your call sign for the Net Control Operator to log
>>>>>> everyone in and allow everyone to see who is on the net.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This net will be focusing on the technology
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will be sending out over the repeater several TEXT reminders today
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the net.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> again the Unusual Suspects are proud to take the System Fusion Lead
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> present
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Fusion Net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 443.025 Group Mode
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TUESDAY EVENINGS @ 7:PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NET CONTROL: Tim N9RO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE NET TO ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS WHO HAVE
>>>>>> YAESU
>>>>>> FUSION RADIOS TO JOIN US TONIGHT. NO MATTER WHAT CLUB AFFILIATION THEY
>>>>>> ARE,
>>>>>> THE UNCLUB IS FOR EVERYONE WITH EVERYONE WELCOME TO JOIN IN.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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