[HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
Fred Gilmore
cw4evr at hctc.net
Wed Nov 26 12:01:55 EST 2014
Does it make any noise? We tried to add packet to the repeater a few years
ago and a few members said they would resign from the club if it continued.
Personally I don't think its worth the effort or cost.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary J - N5BAA" <qltfnish at omniglobal.net>
To: "kd5wdq ." <kd5wdq at gmail.com>; "Reflector" <hcarc at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
> So I assume then the cost to the club to implement this system is the
> price of the new repeater radios and club members wouldn't have to buy new
> equipment to interface with it?? How close are we to needing to replace
> the current repeater??
>
> I am too new to Ham Radio to have much imagination on this kind of
> technology. I am still enamored with talking on HF around the world.
> Someone should do a presentation for a club meeting on what Fusion adds to
> the system so a knowledgeable choice could be made. Would Fusion for
> instance increase our capability to support emergency comms in support of
> the Red Cross in our newly assigned 18 county area??
>
> Gary J
> N5BAA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kd5wdq .
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:10 AM
> To: Reflector
> Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>
> No Fusion radio is required - analog radios work fine. Fusion is what
> D-Star wants to be. Conversion from analog to digital and back takes
> place in the repeater, so analog works with digital radios.
>
> Again, it's about the future applications - as you well know data is data.
> Want to integrate APRS to fusion, NP! (believe the APRS in Fusion radios
> is already passed to other Fusion HW as part of the data stream.)
> How about HSMM (now BBHN) integrated into Fusion data stream,
> just an idea, but wow! 2.4ghz short range with Fusion long range links.
> Use your imagination.
>
> --eddie AF5SA
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Gary J - N5BAA <qltfnish at omniglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Does a Fusion equipped repeater require a Fusion radio, or will it pass
>> simple voice from a normal hand held 2 meter rig too as the repeater
>> currently does?? Yaesu and I think Kenwood are Fusion and Icom is
>> something else that's been around longer. Reminds me of Betamax vs ??
>> video from years ago. Besides letting Marilyn send Harvey a picture of
>> the
>> shopping list he left on the table, what will it do to improve our
>> already
>> underused 2 meter system in place now?? Or is this another place to help
>> fund radio mfgrs bottom line??
>>
>> Gary J
>> N5BAA
>>
>> "Amateur radio--a real time social network using radio waves"
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: kd5wdq .
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:37 PM
>> To: Kerry Sandstrom
>> Cc: Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>
>>
>> I disagree, the point of Fusion is voice AND data.
>>
>> Right now, pictures and user info is being transferred, but one
>> knows that it's the future applications that count. Like remote
>> control of HF via Fusion or the (fill in the blank).
>>
>> Sure, there's a weakness of people on the repeater everywhere,
>> yet if you provide more features, it will be used. That is actually
>> happening in San Antonio now. Linking is probably the nicest
>> thing about Fusion (and sharing data with the links).
>>
>> --eddie af5sa
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Kerry Sandstrom <kerryk5ks at hughes.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bill and HCARC,
>>>
>>> I'm moderately active on our club repeater. Despite the fact that I
>>> believe we have several club members who have only 2 meter equipment, I
>>> just don't hear many stations on the repeater. I don't think there is
>>> enough activity to support another repeater in the area. With a digital
>>> repeater, I believe only a small number of the locals would purchase a
>>> digital 2 meter rig.
>>>
>>> That said, I think the history of digital voice on VHF has been driven
>>> by
>>> the manufacturers and 2-way radio people. As i understand it, the two
>>> ways
>>> to meet the FCC 6.25 kHz bandwidth requirement is either with a trunked
>>> system where several stations share a small number of channels or by
>>> using
>>> digital techniques. I doubt that trunking has a role in ham radio.
>>> Digital could but we need to look at what the advantages/disadvantages
>>> are.
>>>
>>> On the disadvantage size, interference is not obvious with digital data.
>>> You really need 3 pieces of information, signal to noise ratio, signal
>>> strength and Eb/N0 (energy per bit / noise spectral density). You don't
>>> get the clues you get in an analog system where you hear the signal is
>>> noisy or you hear the heterodyne from another station. Some of the
>>> commercial/military non-voice data systems give you this info, but I
>>> don't
>>> know of any ham equipment that does. A second disadvantage is you may
>>> not
>>> be able to hear traffic on the channel that isn't addressed to you.
>>>
>>> On the advantage size, I don't know if it provides any better coverage
>>> than an analog system but it might. I also don't know what bandwidth it
>>> uses, but 6.25 kHz is probably a goal. Fortunately in our area and
>>> everywhere I've been recently bandwidth on 2 meters seems to not be an
>>> issue. Several years ago we changed from 30 kHz channels to 15 kHz
>>> channels. We also expanded the FM portion of the band from 146 - 148
>>> MHz
>>> to 144.5 (?) - 148 MHz. Now I'm lucky to hear 2 or 3 channels active in
>>> that whole spectrum.
>>>
>>> As everyone may or may not know, The big 3 from Japan are big in the
>>> two-way radio biz. The only market for analog FM may be hams. I'm
>>> convinced that most of their production is now digital VHF/UHF radios.
>>> I'm
>>> sure they would like to get rid of the analog FM business entirely. I
>>> think that is what d-star and Fusion is all about.
>>>
>>> In any event, I haven't seen anything to convince me that digital FM is
>>> the way to go for hams.
>>>
>>> What do the rest of you think? From what Bill says, we may get asked if
>>> we are interested.
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/25/2014 12:11 PM, Bill Tynan wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi HCARC:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg, N5XO is, as you can see, is very enthusiastic about this Fusion
>>>> business. He has been spending his own money to buy repeaters for
>>>> installation around the area. I don't know if he would be willing to
>>>> install
>>>> one at our site here in Kerrville or not, or if he would want some help
>>>> from
>>>> our club. I also don't know if the Club would want to put up some money
>>>> for
>>>> all or part of the cost of a Fusion repeater.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Something to think about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I really don't know the advantages of Fusion over D-Star or why we
>>>> would
>>>> want or need either. Again, that's something to think about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just thought I would pass it along.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill Tynan, W3XO/5
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _____
>>>>
>>>> From: N5XO [mailto:n5xo at 144200.net]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:37 AM
>>>> Subject: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good morning ladies and gentleman...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unless you have been buried in a snow drift
>>>> some
>>>> place for the past couple of years, you have most likely heard about
>>>> the
>>>> new
>>>> Yaesu System Fusion. There have been some great articles and reviews in
>>>> both
>>>> QST and CQ Magazines over the past 6 months and the Internet is filled
>>>> with
>>>> a wealth of information and reviews of the new System Fusion and the
>>>> products that support it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Myself and the Unusual Suspects were blessed to been selected as part
>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>> original Yaesu Fusion BETA Team and as such we were able to upgrade our
>>>> 443.025 Repeater to a new Yaesu System Fusion Repeater back in early
>>>> March
>>>> of 2014 and have been working {and playing} with the Fusion Radio' s
>>>> and
>>>> System for some time before everything entered into the general public.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have bought into the System Fusion Project so deeply that we have
>>>> purchased 3 additional repeaters and are in the process of building a
>>>> linked
>>>> network of repeaters that will be offering Amateur Radio Operators with
>>>> a
>>>> continuous communication system {Analog or Digital} through out the
>>>> region.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are hoping that our enthusiasm is infectious and that the Unusual
>>>> Suspects can play a major roll in promoting this exciting new mode of
>>>> operating for not only our local region but Central Texas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Over the past month I have seen signs that many Hams are picking up
>>>> Fusion
>>>> Radio's in one form or another, and that the excitement and energy is
>>>> increasing, or repeater activity is seeing more and more increased
>>>> Digital
>>>> Activity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With our strong lead in this new technology, the Unusual Suspects
>>>> intend
>>>> on
>>>> taking the lead in promoting and putting to use this new technology.
>>>> With
>>>> this in mind we are very excited to inform everyone of an all new net
>>>> that
>>>> will be starting this evening.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> EVERY TUESDAY EVENING AT 7:PM
>>>>
>>>> ON 443.025 {GROUP MODE}
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> THE UNUSUAL SUSPECTS PRESENT THE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FUSION NET
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We intend on making the most of this technology and so we will be
>>>> checking
>>>> into this net in a totally new fashion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To join the Fusion Net this evening, please put your radio in Group
>>>> mode.
>>>> This will display your call sign for the Net Control Operator to log
>>>> everyone in and allow everyone to see who is on the net.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This net will be focusing on the technology
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We will be sending out over the repeater several TEXT reminders today
>>>> for
>>>> the net.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> again the Unusual Suspects are proud to take the System Fusion Lead and
>>>> present
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Fusion Net
>>>>
>>>> 443.025 Group Mode
>>>>
>>>> TUESDAY EVENINGS @ 7:PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NET CONTROL: Tim N9RO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE NET TO ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS WHO HAVE
>>>> YAESU
>>>> FUSION RADIOS TO JOIN US TONIGHT. NO MATTER WHAT CLUB AFFILIATION THEY
>>>> ARE,
>>>> THE UNCLUB IS FOR EVERYONE WITH EVERYONE WELCOME TO JOIN IN.
>>>>
>>>>
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