[HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
Gary J - N5BAA
qltfnish at omniglobal.net
Wed Nov 26 11:39:20 EST 2014
So I assume then the cost to the club to implement this system is the price
of the new repeater radios and club members wouldn't have to buy new
equipment to interface with it?? How close are we to needing to replace the
current repeater??
I am too new to Ham Radio to have much imagination on this kind of
technology. I am still enamored with talking on HF around the world.
Someone should do a presentation for a club meeting on what Fusion adds to
the system so a knowledgeable choice could be made. Would Fusion for
instance increase our capability to support emergency comms in support of
the Red Cross in our newly assigned 18 county area??
Gary J
N5BAA
-----Original Message-----
From: kd5wdq .
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:10 AM
To: Reflector
Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
No Fusion radio is required - analog radios work fine. Fusion is what
D-Star wants to be. Conversion from analog to digital and back takes
place in the repeater, so analog works with digital radios.
Again, it's about the future applications - as you well know data is data.
Want to integrate APRS to fusion, NP! (believe the APRS in Fusion radios
is already passed to other Fusion HW as part of the data stream.)
How about HSMM (now BBHN) integrated into Fusion data stream,
just an idea, but wow! 2.4ghz short range with Fusion long range links.
Use your imagination.
--eddie AF5SA
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Gary J - N5BAA <qltfnish at omniglobal.net>
wrote:
> Does a Fusion equipped repeater require a Fusion radio, or will it pass
> simple voice from a normal hand held 2 meter rig too as the repeater
> currently does?? Yaesu and I think Kenwood are Fusion and Icom is
> something else that's been around longer. Reminds me of Betamax vs ??
> video from years ago. Besides letting Marilyn send Harvey a picture of
> the
> shopping list he left on the table, what will it do to improve our already
> underused 2 meter system in place now?? Or is this another place to help
> fund radio mfgrs bottom line??
>
> Gary J
> N5BAA
>
> "Amateur radio--a real time social network using radio waves"
>
> -----Original Message----- From: kd5wdq .
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:37 PM
> To: Kerry Sandstrom
> Cc: Reflector
> Subject: Re: [HCARC] FW: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>
>
> I disagree, the point of Fusion is voice AND data.
>
> Right now, pictures and user info is being transferred, but one
> knows that it's the future applications that count. Like remote
> control of HF via Fusion or the (fill in the blank).
>
> Sure, there's a weakness of people on the repeater everywhere,
> yet if you provide more features, it will be used. That is actually
> happening in San Antonio now. Linking is probably the nicest
> thing about Fusion (and sharing data with the links).
>
> --eddie af5sa
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Kerry Sandstrom <kerryk5ks at hughes.net>
> wrote:
>
> Bill and HCARC,
>>
>> I'm moderately active on our club repeater. Despite the fact that I
>> believe we have several club members who have only 2 meter equipment, I
>> just don't hear many stations on the repeater. I don't think there is
>> enough activity to support another repeater in the area. With a digital
>> repeater, I believe only a small number of the locals would purchase a
>> digital 2 meter rig.
>>
>> That said, I think the history of digital voice on VHF has been driven by
>> the manufacturers and 2-way radio people. As i understand it, the two
>> ways
>> to meet the FCC 6.25 kHz bandwidth requirement is either with a trunked
>> system where several stations share a small number of channels or by
>> using
>> digital techniques. I doubt that trunking has a role in ham radio.
>> Digital could but we need to look at what the advantages/disadvantages
>> are.
>>
>> On the disadvantage size, interference is not obvious with digital data.
>> You really need 3 pieces of information, signal to noise ratio, signal
>> strength and Eb/N0 (energy per bit / noise spectral density). You don't
>> get the clues you get in an analog system where you hear the signal is
>> noisy or you hear the heterodyne from another station. Some of the
>> commercial/military non-voice data systems give you this info, but I
>> don't
>> know of any ham equipment that does. A second disadvantage is you may
>> not
>> be able to hear traffic on the channel that isn't addressed to you.
>>
>> On the advantage size, I don't know if it provides any better coverage
>> than an analog system but it might. I also don't know what bandwidth it
>> uses, but 6.25 kHz is probably a goal. Fortunately in our area and
>> everywhere I've been recently bandwidth on 2 meters seems to not be an
>> issue. Several years ago we changed from 30 kHz channels to 15 kHz
>> channels. We also expanded the FM portion of the band from 146 - 148 MHz
>> to 144.5 (?) - 148 MHz. Now I'm lucky to hear 2 or 3 channels active in
>> that whole spectrum.
>>
>> As everyone may or may not know, The big 3 from Japan are big in the
>> two-way radio biz. The only market for analog FM may be hams. I'm
>> convinced that most of their production is now digital VHF/UHF radios.
>> I'm
>> sure they would like to get rid of the analog FM business entirely. I
>> think that is what d-star and Fusion is all about.
>>
>> In any event, I haven't seen anything to convince me that digital FM is
>> the way to go for hams.
>>
>> What do the rest of you think? From what Bill says, we may get asked if
>> we are interested.
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/25/2014 12:11 PM, Bill Tynan wrote:
>>
>> Hi HCARC:
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg, N5XO is, as you can see, is very enthusiastic about this Fusion
>>> business. He has been spending his own money to buy repeaters for
>>> installation around the area. I don't know if he would be willing to
>>> install
>>> one at our site here in Kerrville or not, or if he would want some help
>>> from
>>> our club. I also don't know if the Club would want to put up some money
>>> for
>>> all or part of the cost of a Fusion repeater.
>>>
>>>
>>> Something to think about.
>>>
>>>
>>> I really don't know the advantages of Fusion over D-Star or why we would
>>> want or need either. Again, that's something to think about.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just thought I would pass it along.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Tynan, W3XO/5
>>>
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>> From: N5XO [mailto:n5xo at 144200.net]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:37 AM
>>> Subject: SYSTEM FUSION NET
>>>
>>>
>>> Good morning ladies and gentleman...
>>>
>>>
>>> Unless you have been buried in a snow drift
>>> some
>>> place for the past couple of years, you have most likely heard about the
>>> new
>>> Yaesu System Fusion. There have been some great articles and reviews in
>>> both
>>> QST and CQ Magazines over the past 6 months and the Internet is filled
>>> with
>>> a wealth of information and reviews of the new System Fusion and the
>>> products that support it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Myself and the Unusual Suspects were blessed to been selected as part of
>>> the
>>> original Yaesu Fusion BETA Team and as such we were able to upgrade our
>>> 443.025 Repeater to a new Yaesu System Fusion Repeater back in early
>>> March
>>> of 2014 and have been working {and playing} with the Fusion Radio' s and
>>> System for some time before everything entered into the general public.
>>>
>>>
>>> We have bought into the System Fusion Project so deeply that we have
>>> purchased 3 additional repeaters and are in the process of building a
>>> linked
>>> network of repeaters that will be offering Amateur Radio Operators with
>>> a
>>> continuous communication system {Analog or Digital} through out the
>>> region.
>>>
>>>
>>> We are hoping that our enthusiasm is infectious and that the Unusual
>>> Suspects can play a major roll in promoting this exciting new mode of
>>> operating for not only our local region but Central Texas.
>>>
>>>
>>> Over the past month I have seen signs that many Hams are picking up
>>> Fusion
>>> Radio's in one form or another, and that the excitement and energy is
>>> increasing, or repeater activity is seeing more and more increased
>>> Digital
>>> Activity.
>>>
>>>
>>> With our strong lead in this new technology, the Unusual Suspects intend
>>> on
>>> taking the lead in promoting and putting to use this new technology.
>>> With
>>> this in mind we are very excited to inform everyone of an all new net
>>> that
>>> will be starting this evening.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> EVERY TUESDAY EVENING AT 7:PM
>>>
>>> ON 443.025 {GROUP MODE}
>>>
>>>
>>> THE UNUSUAL SUSPECTS PRESENT THE
>>>
>>>
>>> FUSION NET
>>>
>>>
>>> We intend on making the most of this technology and so we will be
>>> checking
>>> into this net in a totally new fashion.
>>>
>>>
>>> To join the Fusion Net this evening, please put your radio in Group
>>> mode.
>>> This will display your call sign for the Net Control Operator to log
>>> everyone in and allow everyone to see who is on the net.
>>>
>>>
>>> This net will be focusing on the technology
>>>
>>>
>>> We will be sending out over the repeater several TEXT reminders today
>>> for
>>> the net.
>>>
>>>
>>> again the Unusual Suspects are proud to take the System Fusion Lead and
>>> present
>>>
>>>
>>> The Fusion Net
>>>
>>> 443.025 Group Mode
>>>
>>> TUESDAY EVENINGS @ 7:PM
>>>
>>>
>>> NET CONTROL: Tim N9RO
>>>
>>>
>>> PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE NET TO ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS WHO HAVE
>>> YAESU
>>> FUSION RADIOS TO JOIN US TONIGHT. NO MATTER WHAT CLUB AFFILIATION THEY
>>> ARE,
>>> THE UNCLUB IS FOR EVERYONE WITH EVERYONE WELCOME TO JOIN IN.
>>>
>>>
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