[GreenKeys] Old Airfields
scottjohnson1
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Mon Jan 27 14:52:06 EST 2020
I had my avionics repair station out there for about 10 years. Not much left now.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Gil Smith <gil at baudot.net> Date: 1/27/20 11:45 (GMT-07:00) To: Richard Johnson <killroy321 at hotmail.com>, greenkeys at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old Airfields Wow, what's the chance of that! I always thought it would be a fun place to launch a balloon, with the old planes nearby. Would be great ascent footage. I would ask the tribal police for permission.gilgil smith, AF7EZgreenkeys moderatorgil at baudot.net
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Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old Airfields
From: Richard Johnson <killroy321 at hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, January 27, 2020 7:48 am
To: "greenkeys at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Haha Gil, I was just at the Gil river Airport yesterday. And yes, there were two tribal police sitting there wating for me. I was not cited, curtesy from one veteran to another but everyone else was. On the weekend they get 2-3 cars an hour driving in there. He let me go around and take my pictures, but no one else. The path is not posted, you dont pass through any sings to get there, all the posted signs are set up to protect the crop fields. The citations wont hold up in a court but you still have to show up and that is their point, make it difficult for you. Great to see the stuff. Regards all Rich Johnson KI6EZA www.RichardSJohnson.net "Those who enjoy freedom must endeavor to preserve it." "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms" Thomas Jefferson From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Gil Smith <gil at baudot.net> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 11:11:52 PM To: Sheldon Daitch <sheldondaitch at yahoo.com>; greenkeys at mailman.qth.net <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>; groupsrichart at gmail.com <groupsrichart at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Old Airfields Sheldon: That was a fun site to peruse -- I peeked through the Arizona pages. I used to live near what is currently called the Gila River Memorial Airport (on the GR Indian Reservation) where local urban explorers risk fines to go photograph the remaining decaying old planes and hangers. I never knew the history and it was fun to see some pics of it from its origins as a WW2 training field. http://www.airfields-freeman.com/AZ/Airfields_AZ_Phoenix_SE.htm#memorial A caption on one of the pics says: "The only photo that has been located of an aircraft operating from Memorial Airport was a 5/5/82 photo of Lockheed L1649A-98 Starliner, N8083H... At the time it was one of only 4 airworthy Starliners in the world." I thought that plane looked like a Lockheed Constellation, and with a further read at Wikipedia I learned that the Starliner was an improved (and final) member of the Constellation lineage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_L-1649_Starliner And, it was interesting to see on that same page, a pic of a cosmetically-restored Starliner that now sits at the TWA Hotel at JFK airport -- it is N8083H, the one seen in the 1982 photo at Memorial airport: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/"_blank" href="http://www.airfields-freeman.com/AZ/Airfields_AZ_W.htm#havasu" style="">http://www.airfields-freeman.com/AZ/Airfields_AZ_W.htm#havasu Robert McCulloch exploited Havasu (and also Fountain Hills) when he bought the Havasu land for something like a buck an acre, bought the London Bridge, dismantled/shipped/reassembled the bridge in Havasu, and started flying people from the east coast and Canada in the cold and snowy wintertime to sunny Arizona, to sell them home lots (originally flew them in Connies, so we come full-circle again). He had put in utilities, paved roads, platted off lots to sell, and built a chainsaw plant so folks could make minimum wage while they enjoyed the sun, many hours from decent shopping in Phoenix. Anyway, I recall another of his adventures there, the J-2 Gyrocopter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCulloch_J-2 These were pretty cool, and test-flew at the airpark often. Thanks for the walk down memory lane. gil gil smith, AF7EZ greenkeys moderator gil at baudot.net -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GreenKeys] Old Airfields From: Sheldon Daitch via GreenKeys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net> Date: Sat, January 25, 2020 7:53 pm To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net, "groupsrichart at gmail.com" <groupsrichart at gmail.com> Changing the subject line - Take a look at: http://www.airfields-freeman.com/ Sheldon On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 08:06:33 PM EST, groupsrichart at gmail.com <groupsrichart at gmail.com> wrote: The airfields with three runways were known as Class A airfields (they look like an A.) They were originated by the RAF during WWII and widely adopted by the U.S. Army Air Corps. There is a good description of a Class A airfield in this article. https://www.asce.org/uploadedFiles/CE_Magazine/Home_Page/Content_Pieces/2018-11-history-lesson-paving-the-way-for-victory.pdf You see variations of this in the U.S. often with just two crossed runways. Many current commercial airfields started out as USAAC airfields and will have two crossed runways in a V shape. One example is Wright Army Airfield at Fort Stewart near Savannah which is now co-inhabited by Mid-Coast Regional Airport. Some of the reasons for the multiple runways are: Operational safety for all types of aircraft of that vintage The longest runway was usually oriented for aircraft to take off or land into the prevailing wind The other runways allowed for operations to continue when the wind was blowing from other directions Allowed aircraft to be dispersed around the field in the event of an enemy attack There were hundreds of USAAC airfields constructed during WWII. You can find a list of them arranged by state on Wikipedia. Many of the articles contain photos of the airport configuration in the familiar V shape. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Airfields_of_the_United_States_Army_Air_Forces_in_the_United_States_by_state 73, Tim WS4V ______________________________________________________________ GreenKeys mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net 2002-to-present greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/greenkeys/ 1998-to-2001 greenkeys archive: http://mailman.qth.net/archive/greenkeys/greenkeys.html Randy Guttery's 2001-to-2009 GreenKeys Search Tool: http://comcents.com/tty/greenkeyssearch.html This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gil at baudot.net ______________________________________________________________
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