[GreenKeys] 2 1/2A SCREW IN FUSE

Mon Aug 14 15:50:26 EDT 2017

You don't need the third service IF  the second service uses one of the 
"hots" the first one does not. I have done it- it works fine. In my dorm 
room at Griffiss AFB in 1972, I found  that three of the outlets in my 
room were on different circuits. By unbelivable fortune, the hots were 
all different phases. I also found a similar setup between two geeky 
neighbors in central New York. The street was wired with 4 wire 120/208. 
They discovered  they had all three hots between them. Two wires were 
buried between their houses, now one person could power his pipe organ 
blower and the other his lathe and milling machine, not to mention their 
very inexpensive air conditoners from the junk store. They agreed that 
the added bill from one equalled the added bill from the other, so they 
paid their bills quitely and no one was the wiser.

        Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY

On 8/14/17 2:37 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
> Pretty much all single phase today.
>
> There were trials done in a few locations where residential electrical 
> demand was high Phoenix AZ in the summer,
> There are still a few 'burbs where the houses have 3 phase. This was 
> when electricity in many parts of the USA
> was 'free' and you A/C'ed your house in the desert, watered the lawn 
> 365/year, etc.
>
> Back closer to home, Portland Oregon I have friend who has next to his 
> house a no longer used cannery. His
> house is fed from one of the three pole transformers. When He built 
> his shop he asked how much to feed his
> shop with 3PH, all three transformers where there. Was something like 
> USD 5,000.
>
> I remember joking with him. your house is on Phase A, get the shop on 
> Phase B and build a shed and have
> it put on Phase C, .. can't say what my next suggestion was :-)
>
> Residential here is around $15/month not including the KWH's
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Bruce Gentry <ka2ivy at verizon.net 
> <mailto:ka2ivy at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
>     Most ulilities in the USA are extremely reluctant to provide three
>     phase to single residences unless the customer is willing to pay
>     thousands in installation costs and agree to a signifigent minimum
>     bill regardless of the amount used. They will do this even if the
>     three transformers are already on the pole in front of your house
>     feeding an apartment building across the street. Many people
>     needing or wanting elevators in their homes or wanting to restore
>     and install pipe organs have been seriously discouraged because of
>     these policies. Many air conditioners, larger appliances, and
>     residential elevators today have three phase motors powered by
>     inverters that convert single phase to three. Single phase AC
>     motors are less efficient- sometimes drastically- than a three
>     phase. Their windings are more complex, starting switches and
>     condensors add cost size and complexity, and they often will not
>     start under load and will be damaged by repeated attempts to start.
>
>           Bruce Gentry, KA2IVY
>
>     On 8/14/17 11:48 AM, Sheldon Daitch via GreenKeys wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Three phase in US housing is probably not the norm, although I
>>     did know that one home in my small hometown in Georgia was three
>>     phase and the now silent key told me it was because of the
>>     central air conditioner unit for the home.
>>
>>     73
>>     Sheldon
>>     WA4MZZ
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     **
>>
>>     As in VK/ZL, along with a separate earth on a 6ft copper spike. 
>>     As I gaze
>>     out my window, I see a pole (the pig is further down the street)
>>     with
>>     three wires on top carrying 11kV (yes, really!)[*] and four wires
>>     a bit
>>     further down carrying the 415v + neutral; the household drops
>>     take a phase
>>     in turn plus the neutral.
>>
>>
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