[GreenKeys] SMECC NEEDS PADS OF TELEGRAM FORMS FOR DISPLAY WU AND RCA Bot...

COURYHOUSE at aol.com COURYHOUSE at aol.com
Fri Nov 25 23:29:55 EST 2016


OK  back again - Had to get a real computer  keyboard  was on the road  
back from a press shoot with  the  mayor and Santa turning on Kazillions  of 
lights in downtown Glendale Az  tonight! 
 
Amazing to  shoot this stuff now in 4K  -  I  almost didn't  need to bring  
my still photogs along with as  you  can pull a  frame and  it is 
...WONDERFUL 
 
Anyway I digress ...
 
According to history  Bell and his associates in  the  very earliest of day 
offered to sell the telephone patient to   Western Union for... 100,000  at 
 first  WU  did not think  the  phone  would  ever really  become   
something..  (needless to day  some executive in WU wen on to wake up  each morning 
and kick himself in his own ass... very  hard!)
 
Here is a little  bit here  but there is a lot   out on the net on  this -  
google is  full. 
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2007/aug/06/bellvwestern
 
 
What is interesting to read if you like the early company  histories are 
the  court cases for patient infringement Bell brought  against many.
 
When the Franklin Library  broke up its  stacks (  hope they microfilmed 
some of this stuff) SMECC   ( or SMEC as it was  known in those early years) 
was fortunate to purchase a lot of these bound   court case proceedings.. not 
only fascinating... but  when  you read  the deposition of  some these  
folks it is THEM talking!  ( or  course they may be completely lying - but 
nevertheless  it is   them!).
 
Reading Watson's long  deposition not only  helped  when were constructing 
a replica of the  instrument  They used for  the first long  2 way  
conversation which was accomplished between Boston and Cambrigeport but also  shed 
light  had the gallows  type receiver been used in a quieter  environment 
instead of on the floor of the Charles Williams Electrical   work's machine 
shot where Bell had  is   work area  above...  this   gallows  receiver / 
microphone   thingis   would have gotten more  respect if tested in a quieter 
area at that   end.
 
We have a shelf  of these things.... and  I am  certain not  all  the suits 
even! I need to see if these and  any  that  we might me missing are  
online  somewhere.
 
Forward into  such a not-so-distant past ...    history of  computer 
companies are interesting to read also.
 
Currently I am plowing though a book titled   The  NeXT Best  Thing    
about  Steve Jobs and the ill fated  NeXT computer...   Funny things happen 
simultaneously  sometimes...   We had dragged our  Next out to start restoring 
it for a display  an  happed to  go by the book sale table at the library and 
there  was    The NeXT Best  Thing !
 
A lot of people took a  bath on the NeXT,  Ross  Perot, Canon, Stanford and 
others..
I do  remember  seeing  a CCARMA Music   center when John R. Pierce took me 
 though there  to show me what he  was involved in there were lots of NeXT 
computers. John in  hiss final  years after Bell labs and Cal Tech was 
processor Emeritus of  Electronic  Music  at Stanford.
 
Any way  interesting book... If  you thought   Jobs  could act bizarrely at 
Apple  you will be entertained   by  some of that happens in this chapter 
in his  life.
 
And  forks  thanks  again  for the   heads up on that  Western Union 
Book... gotta  get   one!
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
In a message dated 11/25/2016 8:48:47 P.M. US Mountain  Standard Time, 
greenkeys at mailman.qth.net writes:

The growth of all these communications companies is fascinating and  
interesting to study the rivalries between them!    more to  follow..... I need a 
real keyboard.... ed#
 
 

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On Friday, November 25,  2016 Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>  
wrote:

This sounds like a book worth having. I have a book on  W.U. it 
points out that W.U. was the first truly national company. People  thin, 
the railroads were the first large merged companies but none covered  
more than a region while W.U. covered the entire country. The book also  
points out that a lot of the financial maneuvering to get control of  
W.U. was really to obtain control of railroads. W.U. was never a  
profitable as people think. I also have somewhere a business history of  
AT&T. It points out that at any time in its existence an investment in  
AT&T would have lost money in comparison to the average of industrial  
stocks on the NYSE. The reason was the status as a regulated public  
utility and the capital intensity brought about by the need for constant  
maintenance and expansion. (Intensity is not the right word but I am  
drawing a blank on it). I think W.U. must have faced something similar  
plus it also had a large payroll.
Its also interesting to look at  transoceanic cable companies. Both 
W.U. and ITT were principles in this  endeavor with many cables. I think 
its also interesting that successful  voice cable over transoceanic 
distances came very late. Of course now,  with optical fiber cables 
provide enormous bandwidth and are more reliable  than satellite.
It is my understanding that W.U. survived for a long time  because a 
telegram was cheaper than a long distance phone call. I don't  have 
numbers for this but think it was probably true up through the  1940s.

On 11/25/2016 6:15 PM, Jim Haynes wrote:
>  On Fri, 25 Nov 2016, Richard Knoppow wrote:
>
>> My memory of  telegrams is that the forms were a sort of tanish
>> yellow. Very old  memory.
>> While wire telegraph work is being discussed rather than  radio the
>> "other" radio service, MacKay seems not to have been  mentioned. MacKay
>> was associated with Postal Telegraph and later  W.U.
>>
> There's a book "The Telegraph: a History of Morse's  Invention and its
> Predecessors in the United States" by Lewis Coe. I  consider this a
> complement to "The Story of Telecommunications" by  George Oslin. Oslin
> writes from a Western Union standpoint - he was  their P.R. man for many
> years - and Coe seems to be writing from a  Postal viewpoint. There
> are a lot of amusing stories in both books. He  tells of the elder
> Mackay who made a fortune in the Comstock Lode and  married an opera
> singer there. Pretty soon she decided Virginia City  was too small for
> her and moved to Paris. Mr. Mackay was running his  business from New
> York and traveling to Paris to be with his wife. In  Paris he encountered
> a newspaper man, Bennett, who was there running  his paper remotely by
> cablegrams. Bennett was at odds with Jay Gould,  who had control of
> Western Union and the cable business, so he  suggested that Mackay should
> lay a cable to complete with Gould.  Mackay did so, but then had trouble
> getting messages to and from his  cables via W.U., so he started Postal
> Telegraph. Jay Gould said Mackay  was one man he could never beat because
> Mackay could at any time just  dig up another million dollars in his 
silver
> mines.
>
> Of  course that time was just about the peak for the telegraph business,
>  which went downhill from then on. The nation couldn't even support one
>  telegraph company, let alone two. Postal Telegraph came to be owned by
>  ITT, and it was long felt by W.U. that ITT had a favored position with
>  the U.S. government. At first the government would not allow the two
>  companies to merge, but in 1943 Postal was in suce dire straits that
>  Congress brought about a shotgun wedding of the two. W.U. was the
>  surviving company but assumed some heavy burdens in the form of  Postal's
> debt and employees and their pension obligations. W.U. did  get some
> good people out of the deal though, including engineer  Gilbert Vernam
> and executive Walter Marshall, who became President of  W.U.
>

-- 
Richard Knoppow
1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL
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