[GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 109, Issue 56
Ralph Irish
w8roi at wowway.com
Sun Feb 17 21:26:26 EST 2013
Re: Teletypes in Police Stations
Our Township PD had a Model 28ASR in service to be able to communicate with the State Police
Headquarters in Lansing Michigan, and to the Secretary of State of Michigan to be able to
'run auto plates' to check for stolen vehicles, outstanding tickets, warrants, etc. I was in
the station one day, delivering some fruit for our Band Boosters, and struck up a conversation
with the guy on duty. At that time, they had mostly officers as dispatchers. He was a friendly
sort and we chatted for a while.
He was surprised when I told him that I had a Teletype machine at home! And, that I used it!
I noted that the machine there would come to life from time to time, but not print anything.
Then I remembered 'Print Suppression', and Selective calling, etc. This machine was on one large
'data loop' including Police stations all over our county, but not necessarily all of them. Mostly
the larger communities.
I asked him if they would have any interest in knowing what the machine was suppressing? In msny
instances, a call would go to one community asking for something, and if/when the requester got a
'negative', the query would go to another community, etc. I tried to describe the HAL RVD loop to
Video system, and the later, Leland Associates device which did the same thing with different
results showing on the screen.
The two-way radio shop I moonlighted in had, for some reason, one of the Hal RVD units. I told our
boss about the conversation I had with this officer and he had the idea of attaching the HAL RVD to
a Teletype in THAT community. He went over and, working with an officer who was in charge of all
of the communications for that department, they got the HAL RVD hooked up and connected to a video
monitor. Once the HAL unit was turned on, the screen was showing everything going on when the 'info
loop' had any activity. They saw all sorts of activity directed to and from other communities and
in a few cases, were able to offer assistance in advance of being asked for it! This made a few of
the other community dispatchers a little curious. HOW DID THEY KNOW? Most of the dispatchers had
seen their own machines operating without printing, and probably asked a Michigan Bell tech what was
going on, etc. The Techs probably knew how to temporarily disable the Print Suppression Solenoid
to make the machine respond to everything. Hopefully, they did not share this info or there would
have been a run on Teletype paper!
I think that Print Suppression requires the "ZERO BAR" and that not all 28 printers have this bar. It
is also required for some other operations. Maybe Auto CR/LF and Non-Overline as well.
Anyway, the local Chief was not impressed by the 'eavesdropping' and said that their budget would not
allow them to purchase the equipment, anyway. At that time, the HAL RVD was selling for around $495,
and a decent bandwidth video monitor was several hundred dollars more. So, that was a short-lived
operation.
Not long after that, Michigan communities made the move to Model 35 machines, and were ultimately
connected to the LEIN System, or "Law Enforcement Infornation Network". No telling what became of those
old MOdel 28s. I would guess that they belonged to Michigan Bell, and were being leased by the various
Police departments. But, I can dream, can't I?
- - - -
Today almost all Police Departments have high speed, high quality computers and high speed lines to a number
of other 'data sources and destinations', and short of having some kind of 'hacker' on staff, they would
probably not be able to see what is happening in other communities as described above.
73,
Ralph - W8ROI
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> 1. Re: Teletypes featured in film and TV (Bill Cromwell)
> 2. Re: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 109, Issue 55 (John Nagle)
> 3. Teletypes in police stations... anyone done a definitive
> study on this!? (COURYHOUSE at aol.com)
> 4. Re: Teletype in movies (Lee Mushel)
> 5. Re: Teletype in movies (Paul Wills)
> 6. Re: Teletype in movies (David Bonamo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:38:30 -0500
> From: Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell at gmail.com>
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletypes featured in film and TV
> Message-ID: <1361133510.3623.1.camel at lancelot>
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> Hi,
>
> Have you already forgotten about Robin Williams in "Good Morning Viet
> Nam"? TTY machines were prominently featured.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill KU8H
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> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:19:41 -0800
> From: John Nagle <nagle at animats.com>
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 109, Issue 55
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> On 2/17/2013 12:28 PM, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> Message: 5 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 14:04:24 -0500 (EST) From:
>> Teletypeparts <teletypeparts at aol.com> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype in movies Message-ID:
>
>>
>> I havent seen it yet, but there should be some 32 and 33's in the
>> movie "Argo".
>
> They're in there.
>
>> I gave some advice and sold a few parts (inlcuding a lid w/window) to
>> History For Hire in Hollywood. I am looking forward to the movie and
>> maybe seeing the 33's and even my lid.
>
> Yes, when you get someone on the West Coast who wants to borrow
> a Teletype for a movie or play, send them to History for Hire in
> Hollywood. They're willing to deal with the headaches of having
> stuff broken on set. They know how to fix stuff - they restore old
> tube-era video gear, including entire control rooms.
>
> John Nagle
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:48:53 -0500 (EST)
> From: COURYHOUSE at aol.com
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletypes in police stations... anyone done a
> definitive study on this!?
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> Teletypes in police stations... anyone done a definitive study on this!?
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> From: "Lee Mushel" <herbert3 at centurytel.net>
> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>, "Teletypeparts"
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> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype in movies
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> I received a phone call last night and without any sort of introduction I was told that I was a "senior citizen" and warned me to not hang up before I listened to his message. This has forced me to seriously consider how I feel about "messages." And one of the things I considered was really hard for me to accept since there had been a time when it's recognition would have been made by virtually 100% of the population: the sound of a model 15 chugging away to announce that a news report was "next." I had a friend who worked in a local radio station and I would visit him and spend a lot of time simply reading the messages that came over the Model 15 RO that resided in a closet. I was especially impressed with the fact that a great part of his job was simply opening the closet door, ripping off the summary report and reading it into a microphone!
>
> Today my 40 year old sons certainly would recognize that sound but absolutely none of their friends would. My grandchildren might think they were listening to a broken washing machine. My great grand daughter would have no idea what the sound was and certainly has no understanding even though she frequently walks past such machines!
>
> Whither goest us?
>
> Lee K9WRU
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> From: "Paul Wills" <pdwills at cedarknolltelephone.com>
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> Usually the first weekend in January, we have all the nieces and nephews over for a post-Christmas party. There are always a couple who will grab a Teletype at each end of the local loop and send messages back and forth. (It's always fun to see what they wrote after everyone is gone.) If I could find space, I would put a third TTY on the loop.
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> PDW
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> From: Lee Mushel
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net ; Teletypeparts
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype in movies
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>
> I received a phone call last night and without any sort of introduction I was told that I was a "senior citizen" and warned me to not hang up before I listened to his message. This has forced me to seriously consider how I feel about "messages." And one of the things I considered was really hard for me to accept since there had been a time when it's recognition would have been made by virtually 100% of the population: the sound of a model 15 chugging away to announce that a news report was "next." I had a friend who worked in a local radio station and I would visit him and spend a lot of time simply reading the messages that came over the Model 15 RO that resided in a closet. I was especially impressed with the fact that a great part of his job was simply opening the closet door, ripping off the summary report and reading it into a microphone!
>
> Today my 40 year old sons certainly would recognize that sound but absolutely none of their friends would. My grandchildren might think they were listening to a broken washing machine. My great grand daughter would have no idea what the sound was and certainly has no understanding even though she frequently walks past such machines!
>
> Whither goest us?
>
> Lee K9WRU
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> From: "David Bonamo" <dbonamo at aprsnet.net>
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> How about TV Series, I am watching, re-watching after 40+ years Voyage to
> the Bottom of the Sea, not the movie but the TV series, in the first season
> the show a 28KSR either on land or on the sub.
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> From: greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:greenkeys-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Teletypeparts
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:04 PM
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype in movies
>
>
>
> I havent seen it yet, but there should be some 32 and 33's in the movie
> "Argo". Its about the Iran hostage crisis when Jimmy Carter was president.
> I believe its nominated for Academy Award.
>
>
>
> I gave some advice and sold a few parts (inlcuding a lid w/window) to
> History For Hire in Hollywood. I am looking forward to the movie and maybe
> seeing the 33's and even my lid.
>
>
>
> Not as good as Don being in "Flags of Our Fathers", but my only connection
> with a movie.
>
>
>
> They cut Dons scene from "Flags", but I enjoyed his narrative of the
> experience of working with "Mr. Eastwood".
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> 73,
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>
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> Wayne
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