[GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 86, Issue 42
gil at baudot.net
gil at baudot.net
Thu Mar 31 19:05:11 EDT 2011
Hello folks:
Hanno here has an interesting project -- he is designing a relay-logic
computer, if I understood it correctly the other day when we chatted.
He is looking to add paper-tape i/o, either 5-level or 8-level. I don't
know all the details.
Bill Buzbee might enjoy finding out more Hanno -- Bill did a computer
design of his own, not with relays, but SSI parts and a lot of clever
design. Bill hides out on the list here somewhere.
Now we need someone to do a vacuum tube computer, complete with nixie
displays. And a teletype, of course.
gil
gil smith
greenkeys moderator
gil at baudot.net
www.baudot.net
Vaux Electronics: 480-354-5556
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 86, Issue 42
> From: hanno ix <hannoix at att.net>
> Date: Thu, March 31, 2011 2:59 pm
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
>
>
> Hi:
>
> Looking forward to GreeKeys discussions.
>
> Actually, I am in need of a stand-alone paperpunch/-reader or
> a device that can be modified to be one.
>
> I wonder if anyone could help me with that.
>
> Regards
> Hanno
>
>
>
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> 1. Re: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER (gil at baudot.net)
> 2. Re: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER (Pete Lancashire)
> 3. Re: Teletype Model 242 (?) (Don Robert House)
> 4. Teletype Metal Tables & Perforators Documentation
> (Don Robert House)
> 5. Re: Teletype Model 242 (?) (Duncan Brown)
> 6. Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver) (Bill Horne)
> 7. Re: Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
> (Pete Lancashire)
> 8. Re: Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
> (Bill Horne)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:02:51 -0700
> From: <gil at baudot.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
>
> <20110330110251.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.1349b3e496.wbe at email15.secureserver.net>
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>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi folks:
>
> I'd like to introduce Craig Koht as a new member to the list; a former
> Teletype employee along with his wife and father-in-law -- his wife
> Karen is the pretty lady in the Model 37 marketing pic:
>
> http://www.baudot.net/teletype/pics/M37-KSR-1.jpg
>
> Welcome Craig!
>
> gil
>
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
> > From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
> > Date: Wed, March 30, 2011 7:41 am
> > To: <gil at baudot.net>
> > Cc: "'Craig Koht'" <cuzed2 at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Gil,
> >
> > Thanks for the quick response!
> > My actual finished product knowledge from Teletype will be a bit superficial;
> >because during my time there I worked in the semiconductor lab evaluating sample
> >solid state devices (for possible purchase and use in Teletype product), and
> >also lending SEM/Failure Analysis support to Teletype's CMOS fabrication group.
> >
> > Next month; I will get my father-in-law introduced to you and your website as
> >soon as he returns to the midwest (he winters in Florida). I believe he can add
> >some stories and be a possible resource on Teletype product. He worked in many
> >departments at Teletype during his career, including:
> >
> > >Engineering of Manufacturing - designing & building test sets
> > >He worked with their sheet metal supplier in the supply and design of parts
> >and product cabinetry
> > >Various R&D assignments
> > >And also made many trips to their manufacturing site in Little Rock (in
> >addition to his time at the Wrightwood, and Skokie facilities)
> >
> > >Worked on a number of special customer projects, including product designed
> >for Holiday Inn and American Airlines accounts
> >
> >
> > As for my wife and the Model 37 photo:
> > Her maiden name was Karen Delahunty, now Karen Koht
> > I also have somewhere in my personal photo collection, a full 8x10 advertising
> >"proof photo" of her operating a different Teletype unit. Whenever I find that
> >one I will email you a copy.
> >
> > I just subscribed to the green-keys email list, I used my personal email
> >account, cuzed2 at gmail.com
> > (and I am already a member of the Yahoo ex-teletype mail list)
> >
> > Looking Forward to more communications!
> > Best Regards,
> > Craig Koht
>
>
> >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
> > > From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
> > > Date: Tue, March 29, 2011 2:43 pm
> > > To: <gil at baudot.net>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Gil,
> > >
> > > I am a former Teletype employee and I believe I can help identify a little
> > > bit more info about the photo and Teletype model 37 you show below.
> > >
> > > http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M37.htm
> > >
> > > I worked there from 77 - 80, and my wife worked there in the early 70s and
> > > again from 76 to 85. I believe the photo below was taken in 76 or 77, and
> > > the lady at the keyboard is indeed my wife J. This model 37 was not a
> > > common model and would have been one of the very last electromechanical
> > > models produced by Teletype.
> > >
> > > This would have been quickly replaced by their model 40 (solid state product
> > > series). Beginning with the model 40, the "brains" of the newer machines
> > > consisted of chipsets that were custom designed and produced in-house in
> > > Skokie Illinois. The last popular model produced in any significant
> > > quantity would have been the model 43 series.
> > >
> > > I can also put you in touch with father in-law; who worked there for 40+
> > > years, and should be a good source of info as well.
> > >
> > > Regards - Craig Koht
> > >
> > > (630) 858-5372
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:22:53 -0700
> From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
> To: gil at baudot.net
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimtpybyT4KX-g8kTGg8E7C25ZPPjNCTL6KxiaeE at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> And for a good 10 years I carried a credit card size ASCII chart with
> that picture of her (and the 37) on one side .. !
>
> -pete
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:02 AM, <gil at baudot.net> wrote:
> > Hi folks:
> >
> > I'd like to introduce Craig Koht as a new member to the list; ?a former
> > Teletype employee along with his wife and father-in-law -- his wife
> > Karen is the pretty lady in the Model 37 marketing pic:
> >
> > http://www.baudot.net/teletype/pics/M37-KSR-1.jpg
> >
> > Welcome Craig!
> >
> > gil
> >
> >
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: RE: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
> >> From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
> >> Date: Wed, March 30, 2011 7:41 am
> >> To: <gil at baudot.net>
> >> Cc: "'Craig Koht'" <cuzed2 at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gil,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the quick response!
> >> My actual finished product knowledge from Teletype will be a bit superficial;
> >>because during my time there I worked in the semiconductor lab evaluating sample
> >>solid state devices (for possible purchase and use in Teletype product), and
> >>also lending SEM/Failure Analysis support to Teletype's CMOS fabrication group.
> >>
> >> Next month; I will get my father-in-law introduced to you and your website as
> >>soon as he returns to the midwest (he winters in Florida). ?I believe he can add
> >>some stories and be a possible resource on Teletype product. ?He worked in many
> >>departments at Teletype during his career, including:
> >>
> >> >Engineering of Manufacturing - designing & building test sets
> >> >He worked with their sheet metal supplier in the supply and design of parts
> >>and product cabinetry
> >> >Various R&D assignments
> >> >And also made many trips to their manufacturing site in Little Rock (in
> >>addition to his time at the Wrightwood, and Skokie facilities)
> >> >Worked on a number of special customer projects, including product designed
> >>for Holiday Inn and American Airlines accounts
> >>
> >> As for my wife and the Model 37 photo:
> >> Her maiden name was Karen Delahunty, now Karen Koht
> >> I also have somewhere in my personal photo collection, a full 8x10 advertising
> >>"proof photo" of her operating a different Teletype unit. ?Whenever I find that
> >>one I will email you a copy.
> >>
> >> I just subscribed to the green-keys email list, I used my personal email
> >>account, cuzed2 at gmail.com
> >> (and I am already a member of the Yahoo ex-teletype mail list)
> >>
> >> Looking Forward to more communications!
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Craig Koht
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > -------- Original Message --------
> >> > Subject: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
> >> > From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
> >> > Date: Tue, March 29, 2011 2:43 pm
> >> > To: <gil at baudot.net>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hello Gil,
> >> >
> >> > I am a former Teletype employee and I believe I can help identify a little
> >> > bit more info about the photo and Teletype model 37 you show below.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M37.htm
> >> >
> >> > I worked there from 77 - 80, and my wife worked there in the early 70s and
> >> > again from 76 to 85. ?I believe the photo below was taken in 76 ?or 77,
> ?and
> >> > the lady at the keyboard is indeed my wife ?J. ?This model 37 was not a
> >> > common model and would have been one of the very last electromechanical
> >> > models produced by Teletype.
> >> >
> >> > This would have been quickly replaced by their model 40 (solid state
> product
> >> > series). ?Beginning with the model 40, the "brains" of the newer machines
> >> > consisted of chipsets that were custom designed and produced in-house in
> >> > Skokie Illinois. ?The last popular model produced in any significant
> >> > quantity would have been the model 43 series.
> >> >
> >> > I can also put you in touch with father in-law; who worked there for 40+
> >> > years, and should be a good source of info as well.
> >> >
> >> > Regards - Craig Koht
> >> >
> >> > (630) 858-5372
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:56:17 -0500
> From: Don Robert House <Packard42 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 242 (?)
> To: Ken Gartland <trnsrme at bellaliant.net>
> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <2BF02739-43C4-487B-8CF6-465C7058EB3B at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Yes, The model 242 was submitted by TTY Corp for use in U.S. Navy P2V
> Neptune aircraft. Approximately 50 plus machines were built.
> The two I had are still at the museum in storage among hundreds of
> other interesting equipment items at the San Diego State University
> Library.
> I bought the two machines from an eBay seller back in 1999-2000
> timeframe from a surplus guy in Jacksonville, Florida.
> As I recall I paid $25. plus shipping for the two. The manual was
> interesting as it was an original typewritten copy with 8 x 10 glossy
> photos.
> As George mentioned the machine resembled the later production M32 and
> M33 as far as the platen, typewheel and ribbon mechanism.
> Also interesting was the reuse of certain model 28 components such as
> the carriage return dashpot.
> When I served in VP-16 at NAS JAX we had the MITE on our P2V5s and
> also on our P3A Orions. George and I believe the 242 failed to
> meet the Navy's requirements due to the primitive gearing which was an
> arrangement with three directly interfaced gears.
> Any friction or binding in the machines mechanism would cause the
> gears to strip teeth.
> After the trial TTY Corp presumably saw the design error and came up
> with the belt drive and clutching mechanism we are familiar with since
> 1963.
>
> I will send you a couple of poor images of the 242 that I still have
> on my computer somewhere here, if I can find them.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Don K9TTY
> Curator Emeritus NADCOMM
>
>
> On 28 Mar 2011, at 8:40 AM, Ken Gartland wrote:
>
> Hi all GK?ers...
>
> A few days ago, George Hutchinson in one of his great posts, described
> a Teletype Corp?n.
> Model 242, which was to compete with the Mite teleprinter...I have
> been familiar over the
> years with just abt everything TTY Corp?n built, but this one escapes
> me!
>
> I wud like to hear more abt this particular machine...Apparently Don,
> had one or more of these machines.
>
> I did hear some yrs ago, TTY designed a printer (Similar to the M32?),
> for the US Miltitary...Was this the same
> one?
>
> Thank you for any info you guys can share with me re: this mysterious
> printer.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Ken L. Gartland
> VE3-HMQ
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:02:33 -0500
> From: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Metal Tables & Perforators Documentation
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <649BF7F1-F742-49F2-972D-15E856AD4617 at dls.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> I am in the process of scanning the Teletype Corp bulletin for all of
> their metal tables circa 1953.
> Also the bulletin for the Perforators both the Black and Green models.
> If these PDFs are not too large I will send them to my NADCOMM list.
> Most of you are on that list.
>
> I will send another message when I have completed making the files.
>
> 73,
> Don K9TTY
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:42:35 -0400
> From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 242 (?)
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4D93EA1B.3060304 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Don,
>
> I would like to see a picture, too!
>
> "Model 242" seemed like a very high number; I was about to ask if you
> meant "TT-242" since it was a military unit. But I did a little
> research and found a document that states:
>
> "1961 - The Model TT-242 is rejected by the Navy in favor of the MITE
> compact Teleprinter.
> The TT-242 becomes the basis for the Model 32 and 33. The M32/33
> represented the marriage of
> many proven designs into a totally new design, best described by the
> term "low-cost concept."
> Approximately 6 years of research and development went into the Models
> 242, 32, and 33. Also,
> the 8-level Model 35 is derived from the 5-level M28."
>
> (the document is "A Synopsis of Teletype Corporation History" by Don
> Robert House, as found on Baudot.net)
>
> Have fun,
>
> Duncan
>
>
> On 30-Mar-11 21:56, Don Robert House wrote:
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> > Yes, The model 242 was submitted by TTY Corp for use in U.S. Navy P2V
> > Neptune aircraft. Approximately 50 plus machines were built.
> > The two I had are still at the museum in storage among hundreds of
> > other interesting equipment items at the San Diego State University
> > Library.
> > I bought the two machines from an eBay seller back in 1999-2000
> > timeframe from a surplus guy in Jacksonville, Florida.
> > As I recall I paid $25. plus shipping for the two. The manual was
> > interesting as it was an original typewritten copy with 8 x 10 glossy
> > photos.
> > As George mentioned the machine resembled the later production M32 and
> > M33 as far as the platen, typewheel and ribbon mechanism.
> > Also interesting was the reuse of certain model 28 components such as
> > the carriage return dashpot.
> > When I served in VP-16 at NAS JAX we had the MITE on our P2V5s and
> > also on our P3A Orions. George and I believe the 242 failed to
> > meet the Navy's requirements due to the primitive gearing which was an
> > arrangement with three directly interfaced gears.
> > Any friction or binding in the machines mechanism would cause the
> > gears to strip teeth.
> > After the trial TTY Corp presumably saw the design error and came up
> > with the belt drive and clutching mechanism we are familiar with since
> > 1963.
> >
> > I will send you a couple of poor images of the 242 that I still have
> > on my computer somewhere here, if I can find them.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Don K9TTY
> > Curator Emeritus NADCOMM
> >
> >
> > On 28 Mar 2011, at 8:40 AM, Ken Gartland wrote:
> >
> > Hi all GK?ers...
> >
> > A few days ago, George Hutchinson in one of his great posts, described
> > a Teletype Corp?n.
> > Model 242, which was to compete with the Mite teleprinter...I have
> > been familiar over the
> > years with just abt everything TTY Corp?n built, but this one escapes
> > me!
> >
> > I wud like to hear more abt this particular machine...Apparently Don,
> > had one or more of these machines.
> >
> > I did hear some yrs ago, TTY designed a printer (Similar to the M32?),
> > for the US Miltitary...Was this the same
> > one?
> >
> > Thank you for any info you guys can share with me re: this mysterious
> > printer.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Ken L. Gartland
> > VE3-HMQ
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 23:05:52 -0400
> From: Bill Horne <bill at horne.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine
> (Boulder/Denver)
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4D93EF90.8080709 at horne.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I've traded emails with a guy in the Boulder/Denver area who is looking
> to get a machine for use in a stage play. He's looking for something
> like a Model 15RO, preferably labeled for AP use.
>
> Please call Rhett directly if you can help.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill, W1AC
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: R Snyder <heinrichthedog at yahoo.com>
> To: bill at horne.net
>
>
>
> Hi Bill, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. It turns out, what
> we are looking for is an AP style teletype such as an Associated Press
> model 15 or 20 or the like. Thanks much, feel free to call if you need
> 970-948-6636.
> Thanks again!
> Rhett
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> **
>
>
> --
> "I woke last night to the sound of thunder
> 'How far off?' I sat and wondered
> Started humming a song from 1962
> Ain't it funny how the night moves ..."
> - Bob Seger
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:38:29 -0700
> From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine
> (Boulder/Denver)
> To: Bill Horne <bill at horne.net>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTi==KTJShUW+x4K=w-ffHwThkwUUpq3iCFCFXBf6 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> please scan the archives about loaning equipment to such endeavors.
>
> also check boatanchors as well
>
> there is a better then 50% chance the owner of the equipment will be
> very very sorry he did it.
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Bill Horne <bill at horne.net> wrote:
> > I've traded emails with a guy in the Boulder/Denver area who is looking to
> > get a machine for use in a stage play. He's looking for something like a
> > Model 15RO, preferably labeled for AP use.
> >
> > Please call Rhett directly if you can help.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Bill, W1AC
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: ? ? ? ?Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
> > Date: ? Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: ? R Snyder <heinrichthedog at yahoo.com>
> > To: ? ? bill at horne.net
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Bill, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. It turns out, what we
> > are looking for is an AP style teletype such as an Associated Press model 15
> > or 20 or the like. Thanks much, feel free to call if you need 970-948-6636.
> > Thanks again!
> > Rhett
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > **
> >
> >
> > --
> > "I woke last night to the sound of thunder
> > ?'How far off?' I sat and wondered
> > ?Started humming a song from 1962
> > ?Ain't it funny how the night moves ..."
> > ? ? ? ? ? ?- Bob Seger
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:43:17 -0400
> From: Bill Horne <bill at horne.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine
> (Boulder/Denver)
> To: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4D943EA5.2010400 at horne.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On 3/31/2011 1:38 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
> > please scan the archives about loaning equipment to such endeavors.
> >
> > also check boatanchors as well
> >
> > there is a better then 50% chance the owner of the equipment will be
> > very very sorry he did it.
>
> Sorry to hear it.
>
> Given the past history, I'd advise that anyone who is interested just
> say "Cash on the barrelhead" and name a price that would cover all
> contingencies.
>
> W1AC
>
>
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