[GreenKeys] GreenKeys Digest, Vol 86, Issue 42
Craig Koht
cuzed2 at gmail.com
Thu Mar 31 09:56:45 EDT 2011
Thank You All for the Warm Welcome!
I had no idea that this active message board existed, glad to be part of it!
Craig Koht
cuzed2 at gmail.com
On 3/31/11, greenkeys-request at mailman.qth.net
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> 1. Re: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER (gil at baudot.net)
> 2. Re: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER (Pete Lancashire)
> 3. Re: Teletype Model 242 (?) (Don Robert House)
> 4. Teletype Metal Tables & Perforators Documentation
> (Don Robert House)
> 5. Re: Teletype Model 242 (?) (Duncan Brown)
> 6. Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver) (Bill Horne)
> 7. Re: Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
> (Pete Lancashire)
> 8. Re: Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
> (Bill Horne)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:02:51 -0700
> From: <gil at baudot.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
> <20110330110251.617ae442d0f8f631a9b3312d6b10cde7.1349b3e496.wbe at email15.secureserver.net>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi folks:
>
> I'd like to introduce Craig Koht as a new member to the list; a former
> Teletype employee along with his wife and father-in-law -- his wife
> Karen is the pretty lady in the Model 37 marketing pic:
>
> http://www.baudot.net/teletype/pics/M37-KSR-1.jpg
>
> Welcome Craig!
>
> gil
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: RE: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
>> From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
>> Date: Wed, March 30, 2011 7:41 am
>> To: <gil at baudot.net>
>> Cc: "'Craig Koht'" <cuzed2 at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Gil,
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response!
>> My actual finished product knowledge from Teletype will be a bit
>> superficial; because during my time there I worked in the semiconductor
>> lab evaluating sample solid state devices (for possible purchase and use
>> in Teletype product), and also lending SEM/Failure Analysis support to
>> Teletype's CMOS fabrication group.
>>
>> Next month; I will get my father-in-law introduced to you and your website
>> as soon as he returns to the midwest (he winters in Florida). I believe
>> he can add some stories and be a possible resource on Teletype product.
>> He worked in many departments at Teletype during his career, including:
>>
>> >Engineering of Manufacturing - designing & building test sets
>> >He worked with their sheet metal supplier in the supply and design of
>> > parts and product cabinetry
>> >Various R&D assignments
>> >And also made many trips to their manufacturing site in Little Rock (in
>> > addition to his time at the Wrightwood, and Skokie facilities)
>> >Worked on a number of special customer projects, including product
>> > designed for Holiday Inn and American Airlines accounts
>>
>> As for my wife and the Model 37 photo:
>> Her maiden name was Karen Delahunty, now Karen Koht
>> I also have somewhere in my personal photo collection, a full 8x10
>> advertising "proof photo" of her operating a different Teletype unit.
>> Whenever I find that one I will email you a copy.
>>
>> I just subscribed to the green-keys email list, I used my personal email
>> account, cuzed2 at gmail.com
>> (and I am already a member of the Yahoo ex-teletype mail list)
>>
>> Looking Forward to more communications!
>> Best Regards,
>> Craig Koht
>
>
>>
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > Subject: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
>> > From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
>> > Date: Tue, March 29, 2011 2:43 pm
>> > To: <gil at baudot.net>
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Gil,
>> >
>> > I am a former Teletype employee and I believe I can help identify a
>> > little
>> > bit more info about the photo and Teletype model 37 you show below.
>> >
>> > http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M37.htm
>> >
>> > I worked there from 77 - 80, and my wife worked there in the early 70s
>> > and
>> > again from 76 to 85. I believe the photo below was taken in 76 or 77,
>> > and
>> > the lady at the keyboard is indeed my wife J. This model 37 was not a
>> > common model and would have been one of the very last electromechanical
>> > models produced by Teletype.
>> >
>> > This would have been quickly replaced by their model 40 (solid state
>> > product
>> > series). Beginning with the model 40, the "brains" of the newer
>> > machines
>> > consisted of chipsets that were custom designed and produced in-house in
>> > Skokie Illinois. The last popular model produced in any significant
>> > quantity would have been the model 43 series.
>> >
>> > I can also put you in touch with father in-law; who worked there for 40+
>> > years, and should be a good source of info as well.
>> >
>> > Regards - Craig Koht
>> >
>> > (630) 858-5372
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:22:53 -0700
> From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
> To: gil at baudot.net
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimtpybyT4KX-g8kTGg8E7C25ZPPjNCTL6KxiaeE at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> And for a good 10 years I carried a credit card size ASCII chart with
> that picture of her (and the 37) on one side .. !
>
> -pete
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:02 AM, <gil at baudot.net> wrote:
>> Hi folks:
>>
>> I'd like to introduce Craig Koht as a new member to the list; ?a former
>> Teletype employee along with his wife and father-in-law -- his wife
>> Karen is the pretty lady in the Model 37 marketing pic:
>>
>> http://www.baudot.net/teletype/pics/M37-KSR-1.jpg
>>
>> Welcome Craig!
>>
>> gil
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: RE: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
>>> From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
>>> Date: Wed, March 30, 2011 7:41 am
>>> To: <gil at baudot.net>
>>> Cc: "'Craig Koht'" <cuzed2 at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gil,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the quick response!
>>> My actual finished product knowledge from Teletype will be a bit
>>> superficial; because during my time there I worked in the semiconductor
>>> lab evaluating sample solid state devices (for possible purchase and use
>>> in Teletype product), and also lending SEM/Failure Analysis support to
>>> Teletype's CMOS fabrication group.
>>>
>>> Next month; I will get my father-in-law introduced to you and your
>>> website as soon as he returns to the midwest (he winters in Florida). ?I
>>> believe he can add some stories and be a possible resource on Teletype
>>> product. ?He worked in many departments at Teletype during his career,
>>> including:
>>>
>>> >Engineering of Manufacturing - designing & building test sets
>>> >He worked with their sheet metal supplier in the supply and design of
>>> > parts and product cabinetry
>>> >Various R&D assignments
>>> >And also made many trips to their manufacturing site in Little Rock (in
>>> > addition to his time at the Wrightwood, and Skokie facilities)
>>> >Worked on a number of special customer projects, including product
>>> > designed for Holiday Inn and American Airlines accounts
>>>
>>> As for my wife and the Model 37 photo:
>>> Her maiden name was Karen Delahunty, now Karen Koht
>>> I also have somewhere in my personal photo collection, a full 8x10
>>> advertising "proof photo" of her operating a different Teletype unit.
>>> ?Whenever I find that one I will email you a copy.
>>>
>>> I just subscribed to the green-keys email list, I used my personal email
>>> account, cuzed2 at gmail.com
>>> (and I am already a member of the Yahoo ex-teletype mail list)
>>>
>>> Looking Forward to more communications!
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Craig Koht
>>
>>
>>>
>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>> > Subject: TELETYPE MODEL 37 PAGE PRINTER
>>> > From: "Craig Koht" <koht at jeol.com>
>>> > Date: Tue, March 29, 2011 2:43 pm
>>> > To: <gil at baudot.net>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hello Gil,
>>> >
>>> > I am a former Teletype employee and I believe I can help identify a
>>> > little
>>> > bit more info about the photo and Teletype model 37 you show below.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.baudot.net/teletype/M37.htm
>>> >
>>> > I worked there from 77 - 80, and my wife worked there in the early 70s
>>> > and
>>> > again from 76 to 85. ?I believe the photo below was taken in 76 ?or 77,
>>> > ?and
>>> > the lady at the keyboard is indeed my wife ?J. ?This model 37 was not a
>>> > common model and would have been one of the very last electromechanical
>>> > models produced by Teletype.
>>> >
>>> > This would have been quickly replaced by their model 40 (solid state
>>> > product
>>> > series). ?Beginning with the model 40, the "brains" of the newer
>>> > machines
>>> > consisted of chipsets that were custom designed and produced in-house
>>> > in
>>> > Skokie Illinois. ?The last popular model produced in any significant
>>> > quantity would have been the model 43 series.
>>> >
>>> > I can also put you in touch with father in-law; who worked there for
>>> > 40+
>>> > years, and should be a good source of info as well.
>>> >
>>> > Regards - Craig Koht
>>> >
>>> > (630) 858-5372
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:56:17 -0500
> From: Don Robert House <Packard42 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 242 (?)
> To: Ken Gartland <trnsrme at bellaliant.net>
> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <2BF02739-43C4-487B-8CF6-465C7058EB3B at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> Yes, The model 242 was submitted by TTY Corp for use in U.S. Navy P2V
> Neptune aircraft. Approximately 50 plus machines were built.
> The two I had are still at the museum in storage among hundreds of
> other interesting equipment items at the San Diego State University
> Library.
> I bought the two machines from an eBay seller back in 1999-2000
> timeframe from a surplus guy in Jacksonville, Florida.
> As I recall I paid $25. plus shipping for the two. The manual was
> interesting as it was an original typewritten copy with 8 x 10 glossy
> photos.
> As George mentioned the machine resembled the later production M32 and
> M33 as far as the platen, typewheel and ribbon mechanism.
> Also interesting was the reuse of certain model 28 components such as
> the carriage return dashpot.
> When I served in VP-16 at NAS JAX we had the MITE on our P2V5s and
> also on our P3A Orions. George and I believe the 242 failed to
> meet the Navy's requirements due to the primitive gearing which was an
> arrangement with three directly interfaced gears.
> Any friction or binding in the machines mechanism would cause the
> gears to strip teeth.
> After the trial TTY Corp presumably saw the design error and came up
> with the belt drive and clutching mechanism we are familiar with since
> 1963.
>
> I will send you a couple of poor images of the 242 that I still have
> on my computer somewhere here, if I can find them.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Don K9TTY
> Curator Emeritus NADCOMM
>
>
> On 28 Mar 2011, at 8:40 AM, Ken Gartland wrote:
>
> Hi all GK?ers...
>
> A few days ago, George Hutchinson in one of his great posts, described
> a Teletype Corp?n.
> Model 242, which was to compete with the Mite teleprinter...I have
> been familiar over the
> years with just abt everything TTY Corp?n built, but this one escapes
> me!
>
> I wud like to hear more abt this particular machine...Apparently Don,
> had one or more of these machines.
>
> I did hear some yrs ago, TTY designed a printer (Similar to the M32?),
> for the US Miltitary...Was this the same
> one?
>
> Thank you for any info you guys can share with me re: this mysterious
> printer.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Ken L. Gartland
> VE3-HMQ
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:02:33 -0500
> From: Don Robert House <k9tty at dls.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Metal Tables & Perforators Documentation
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <649BF7F1-F742-49F2-972D-15E856AD4617 at dls.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> I am in the process of scanning the Teletype Corp bulletin for all of
> their metal tables circa 1953.
> Also the bulletin for the Perforators both the Black and Green models.
> If these PDFs are not too large I will send them to my NADCOMM list.
> Most of you are on that list.
>
> I will send another message when I have completed making the files.
>
> 73,
> Don K9TTY
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:42:35 -0400
> From: Duncan Brown <duncanancy at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 242 (?)
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4D93EA1B.3060304 at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Don,
>
> I would like to see a picture, too!
>
> "Model 242" seemed like a very high number; I was about to ask if you
> meant "TT-242" since it was a military unit. But I did a little
> research and found a document that states:
>
> "1961 - The Model TT-242 is rejected by the Navy in favor of the MITE
> compact Teleprinter.
> The TT-242 becomes the basis for the Model 32 and 33. The M32/33
> represented the marriage of
> many proven designs into a totally new design, best described by the
> term "low-cost concept."
> Approximately 6 years of research and development went into the Models
> 242, 32, and 33. Also,
> the 8-level Model 35 is derived from the 5-level M28."
>
> (the document is "A Synopsis of Teletype Corporation History" by Don
> Robert House, as found on Baudot.net)
>
> Have fun,
>
> Duncan
>
>
> On 30-Mar-11 21:56, Don Robert House wrote:
>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> Yes, The model 242 was submitted by TTY Corp for use in U.S. Navy P2V
>> Neptune aircraft. Approximately 50 plus machines were built.
>> The two I had are still at the museum in storage among hundreds of
>> other interesting equipment items at the San Diego State University
>> Library.
>> I bought the two machines from an eBay seller back in 1999-2000
>> timeframe from a surplus guy in Jacksonville, Florida.
>> As I recall I paid $25. plus shipping for the two. The manual was
>> interesting as it was an original typewritten copy with 8 x 10 glossy
>> photos.
>> As George mentioned the machine resembled the later production M32 and
>> M33 as far as the platen, typewheel and ribbon mechanism.
>> Also interesting was the reuse of certain model 28 components such as
>> the carriage return dashpot.
>> When I served in VP-16 at NAS JAX we had the MITE on our P2V5s and
>> also on our P3A Orions. George and I believe the 242 failed to
>> meet the Navy's requirements due to the primitive gearing which was an
>> arrangement with three directly interfaced gears.
>> Any friction or binding in the machines mechanism would cause the
>> gears to strip teeth.
>> After the trial TTY Corp presumably saw the design error and came up
>> with the belt drive and clutching mechanism we are familiar with since
>> 1963.
>>
>> I will send you a couple of poor images of the 242 that I still have
>> on my computer somewhere here, if I can find them.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Don K9TTY
>> Curator Emeritus NADCOMM
>>
>>
>> On 28 Mar 2011, at 8:40 AM, Ken Gartland wrote:
>>
>> Hi all GK?ers...
>>
>> A few days ago, George Hutchinson in one of his great posts, described
>> a Teletype Corp?n.
>> Model 242, which was to compete with the Mite teleprinter...I have
>> been familiar over the
>> years with just abt everything TTY Corp?n built, but this one escapes
>> me!
>>
>> I wud like to hear more abt this particular machine...Apparently Don,
>> had one or more of these machines.
>>
>> I did hear some yrs ago, TTY designed a printer (Similar to the M32?),
>> for the US Miltitary...Was this the same
>> one?
>>
>> Thank you for any info you guys can share with me re: this mysterious
>> printer.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Ken L. Gartland
>> VE3-HMQ
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 23:05:52 -0400
> From: Bill Horne <bill at horne.net>
> Subject: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine
> (Boulder/Denver)
> To: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4D93EF90.8080709 at horne.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I've traded emails with a guy in the Boulder/Denver area who is looking
> to get a machine for use in a stage play. He's looking for something
> like a Model 15RO, preferably labeled for AP use.
>
> Please call Rhett directly if you can help.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill, W1AC
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: R Snyder <heinrichthedog at yahoo.com>
> To: bill at horne.net
>
>
>
> Hi Bill, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. It turns out, what
> we are looking for is an AP style teletype such as an Associated Press
> model 15 or 20 or the like. Thanks much, feel free to call if you need
> 970-948-6636.
> Thanks again!
> Rhett
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> **
>
>
> --
> "I woke last night to the sound of thunder
> 'How far off?' I sat and wondered
> Started humming a song from 1962
> Ain't it funny how the night moves ..."
> - Bob Seger
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:38:29 -0700
> From: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine
> (Boulder/Denver)
> To: Bill Horne <bill at horne.net>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTi==KTJShUW+x4K=w-ffHwThkwUUpq3iCFCFXBf6 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> please scan the archives about loaning equipment to such endeavors.
>
> also check boatanchors as well
>
> there is a better then 50% chance the owner of the equipment will be
> very very sorry he did it.
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Bill Horne <bill at horne.net> wrote:
>> I've traded emails with a guy in the Boulder/Denver area who is looking to
>> get a machine for use in a stage play. He's looking for something like a
>> Model 15RO, preferably labeled for AP use.
>>
>> Please call Rhett directly if you can help.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Bill, W1AC
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: ? ? ? ?Re: wanted: Teletype machine (Boulder/Denver)
>> Date: ? Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: ? R Snyder <heinrichthedog at yahoo.com>
>> To: ? ? bill at horne.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Bill, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. It turns out, what
>> we
>> are looking for is an AP style teletype such as an Associated Press model
>> 15
>> or 20 or the like. Thanks much, feel free to call if you need
>> 970-948-6636.
>> Thanks again!
>> Rhett
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> **
>>
>>
>> --
>> "I woke last night to the sound of thunder
>> ?'How far off?' I sat and wondered
>> ?Started humming a song from 1962
>> ?Ain't it funny how the night moves ..."
>> ? ? ? ? ? ?- Bob Seger
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:43:17 -0400
> From: Bill Horne <bill at horne.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: Re: wanted: Teletype machine
> (Boulder/Denver)
> To: Pete Lancashire <pete at petelancashire.com>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4D943EA5.2010400 at horne.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On 3/31/2011 1:38 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
>> please scan the archives about loaning equipment to such endeavors.
>>
>> also check boatanchors as well
>>
>> there is a better then 50% chance the owner of the equipment will be
>> very very sorry he did it.
>
> Sorry to hear it.
>
> Given the past history, I'd advise that anyone who is interested just
> say "Cash on the barrelhead" and name a price that would cover all
> contingencies.
>
> W1AC
>
>
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