[GreenKeys] TTY Oil Ad Yeeech
Jim Hammock
ki0dn at comcast.net
Thu Aug 18 08:28:30 EDT 2011
Hi all,
Okay, Don has settled it, One Lube and One Grease. Anyone whose wife lets him live to 69 after running a typing unit through the dishwasher and clothes dryer knows more about slick than all the rest of us put together.
Happy Birthday Don.
Jim
KI0DN
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> 1. Re: Military 28 (Steve Garrison)
> 2. Re: Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum) (Gerry Block)
> 3. Re: Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum) (Keelan Lightfoot)
> 4. Re: Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum) (Christian Gauger-Cosgrove)
> 5. Re: Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum) (DR HOUSE)
> 6. Re: Mod 14KSR (DR HOUSE)
> 7. Re: Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum) (Sheldon Daitch)
> 8. Re: Mod 14KSR (Lee Mushel)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:14:44 -0400
> From: Steve Garrison <steve.n4seg at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Military 28
> To: Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com>
> Cc: "greenkeys at mailman.qth.net" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
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> I guess you may be right and I shot off my mouth too quick!
>
> Steve G./N4SEG
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> On Aug 17, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Well he's an "antique radio" guy who buys whole estates - not a TTY
>> guy so doesn't really know what he has. He does say Best Offer and in
>> the past I have bought some things from him and if I gave a good
>> explanation why my best offer was reasonable, he'd go along with it.
>> So if you're interested in something, it can't hurt to make an offer.
>> Usual disclaimers - I have no pecuniary interest and YMMV.
>> cheers,
>> Nick
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Steve Garrison <steve.n4seg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Looks like a piece of junk and this guy wants way more than any of his items warrant.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:28:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gerry Block <gblock at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
> To: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>, Jim Haynes
> <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
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> You can get non-detergent mineral oil at any aviation maintenance hangar.? Its
> cheap.?? It is used for engine break in.
>
> Gerry
> AD6MC
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
> To: Jim Haynes <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Wed, August 17, 2011 3:10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Haynes" <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>
> To: "Richard Knoppow" <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: "Bruce Gentry" <ka2ivy at verizon.net>;
> <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
>
>
>> One of the questions I don't know the answer to: In KS7400
>> there was some
>> volatile substance that gave it the distinct aroma, and in
>> 3-in-1 it
>> is citronella.? Is the volatile component there solely to
>> give the mixture
>> a trademark odor?? Or does it have a function, such as
>> helping the oil to
>> get into tight places and then evaporating to leave the
>> oil behind?
>>
>> In some early document that I can't find right now
>> Teletype specifically
>> said not to use 3-in-1 oil.? I guess that stuff has been
>> around for a
>> long time.? Perhaps it is too thin.? I've been using
>> 3-in-1 large motor
>> oil, which is in a blue and white can rather than the red,
>> white and black
>> can, and is 20 weight.? It used to be said that automotive
>> engine oil
>> should be non-detergent, as the detergent would make all
>> the parts turn
>> green.? I've used detergent oil in a pinch and have not
>> had anything
>> turn green, so maybe detergents have changed.
>>
>> I have had some former Western Union machines with
>> selector trouble, and
>> when I took the separator plates apart there was a green
>> varnish-like
>> substance on them.? I don't know whether W.U. used some
>> oil of their
>> own formulation that led to the problem, or whether it
>> occurs with
>> KS7400 oil.
>>
> ? ? ? I believe regular 3 in 1 oil has a solvent in it so it
> changes viscosity with age. 3 in 1 also sells regular SAW 20
> machine oil under its brand. This is _not_ the same stuff as
> the regular 3 in 1 and seems to be perfectly satisfactory
> for small motor bearings and similar applications. I have no
> idea what gives 3 in 1 its odor but it does not smell like
> Citronella oil to me. I grew up with Michigan mosquitoes and
> chiggers and we wore Citronella to keep them off. Actually,
> I think it attracted them.
> ? ? ? Nye sells very highly refined oil in several
> viscosities. More expensive than 3 in 1 and will probably
> have to be ordered via the web (see Tai Oils for small
> quantities) but is superior stuff.
> ? ? Also, I think the detergent in motor oil is supposed to
> prevent the generation of "lacquer" from heating of various
> substances from combusion. I don't know if it works at lower
> temperatures. Also note that if you decide to use motor oil
> the synthetics may be slipperier and longer lasting.
>
>
> --
> Richard Knoppow
> Los Angeles
> WB6KBL
> dickburk at ix.netcom.com
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:17:57 -0700
> From: Keelan Lightfoot <keelan at mail.grenander.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
> To: Keelan Lightfoot <keelan at mail.grenander.com>
> Cc: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
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> On 2011-08-17, at 12:20 AM, Keelan Lightfoot wrote:
>
>> I've been reading the GreenKeys archives, and It's surprising how often the topic of oil comes up here. Without re-opening the subject for debate, I just wanted to throw something out to the group.
>
> Can't say I didn't try!
>
> - Keelan
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:21:51 -0400
> From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk359 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
> To: Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com>,
> greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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> Though not the best source out there in the world, Wikipedia
> specifically states silicone grease does not damage rubber (i.e. does
> not swell it or soften it). On the otherhand rubber can be damaged by
> hydrocarbon (oil) based greases. This I can state firmly (with my
> chemistry knowledge) is true. Also, silicone grease is non-conductive.
> Neither are flouroether greases.
>
> My friend suggested silicone grease and flouroether grease as they're
> very inert substances (flouroether grease can only be removed by
> expensive, hard to find flourinated solvents) that are waterproof and
> prevent the corrosion of the surfaces they cover. Plus their
> non-volatility means they don't degrade over time, so if you somehow
> forget about your teletype for a decade, you won't come back to a
> solidified mass of "Yech! ...The hell is that?"
>
> Too bad they cost a lot more then "normal" grease. Then again they
> last a lot longer. So whether your time or your money is more valuable
> to you is the question to consider.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Christian
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17 August 2011 18:45, Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Schlink" <sschlink at mindspring.com>
>> To: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
>>
>>
>> "rubber" compounds are attacked by "silicones". The other
>> concern about
>> using silicone around electronics is that one of its
>> properties is a very
>> high dielectric strength. Given its propensity to creep,
>> that could be a
>> problem on the various contacts.
>>
>> ? ? I think this is backwards. High dielectric strength
>> means resisance to arcing, i.e., good insulating qualities.
>> I think the bulk resistance of silicone rubbers is also high
>> meaning it should be good stuff around contacts.
>>
>> ? ? ? ? Not sure why we need anything different than has
>> been used on them
>> for the last 50 years.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> ? ?Well, consider that older lubricants had a strong
>> tendency to become gummy and lose their lubricity. More
>> modern lubricants are both better lubricators and last very
>> much longer.
>> ? ?You want something that will maintiain efficient
>> operation of the parts, reduce wear to a minimum, have a
>> long operating life, and not damage anything. Modern
>> lubricants do better at all of these than the older ones.
>>
>> --
>> Richard Knoppow
>> Los Angeles, CA, USA
>> dickburk at ix.netcom.com
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:39:56 -0500
> From: DR HOUSE <Packard42 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
> To: Keelan Lightfoot <keelan at mail.grenander.com>
> Cc: Green Keys <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
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> It seems no two Teletype people think the same about this.
>
> Just let me make my eternal recommendation... (Bite your lip George!)
>
> Get some ONE LUBE. It is made by the Slick 50 company and is
> available in most WALMART and Home discount stores such as ACE, HOME
> DEPOT and LOEWES... Also some auto parts stores. Combined with their
> other product ONE GREASE I do not think you can go wrong.
>
> I have used these products on Teletype machines ranging from the Model
> 12 to the Model 37 and with excellent results. The superior chemistry
> has the following attributes.
>
> 1. It does not dry up.
> 2. It stays slippery.
> 3. It does not attract dirt.
> 4. It stays clean and keeps lubricating long after other oils have
> dried up or turned sticky.
>
> The original oil specified by Teletype Corporation and the Bell System
> was made to a Kearny Specification (KS-7470) by the American Oil
> Company and was determined some years ago to be almost identical to
> SAE 20 Motor Oil. Also the Teletype lubrication recommendations
> printed up between the Model 15 period... up to 1953 reads just about
> like the recommendation for your 4-cycle lawn mower.
>
> It goes something like this (not having it handy)
> Temperature below 40 degrees use 10 Weight oil with 10 percent kerosene.
> Above 40 but below 50 degrees use 10 Weight oil
> Above 50 degrees use 20 Weight oil
>
> The grease we used in the Bell System can still be found occasionally
> in tubes designated KS-7471 and seems to be almost identical to wheel
> bearing grease used before the invention of Lithium based greases.
>
> Bottom line is...
>
> I recommend the One Lube and One Grease because of my long experience
> with it. It is almost disappointing to pull out a typing unit after
> regular use over a years time, only to find the felts nice and wet and
> the metal surfaces clean as a whistle and nice and slippery.
>
> NO I do not have any stock in the Slick 50 company.
>
> Last warning... use WD-40 only for helping to re-activate the ink in
> ribbons and not for any lubrication. WD-40 becomes very sticky when
> exposed to heat.
>
> I am tempted to send images to my NADCOMM list of the rusty typing
> unit I bought on ebay, ran through our dishwasher, dried in our
> clothes dryer (on a sweater rack) and lubricated with One Lube. Sent
> the unit to Pittsburgh for display where it sat for over a year and
> was sent back to me recently as a screw had come out of the selector
> clutch. The typing unit looks like it was manufactured and lubricated
> yesterday.
>
> End of message... Don R. House, K9TTY -- 69 years young today.
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:57:54 -0500
> From: DR HOUSE <Packard42 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Mod 14KSR
> To: DLe9480907 at aol.com
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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> Thanks... I am bidding on the unit. It is NOT a KSR..
> It is a Keyboard Typing Printer (KTP) It does not punch tape... only
> prints.
>
> The owner is also an Illinois Bell retiree like me.
>
> Best,
> Don
> K9TTY
>
>
>
> On 17 Aug 2011, at 6:58 PM, DLe9480907 at aol.com wrote:
>
> A Mod 14 KSR tape unit on Ebay 320742012072 in IL.
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> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:54:19 +0300
> From: Sheldon Daitch <sdaitch at kuw.ibb.gov>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Teletype Oil (Ad Nauseum)
> To: Steve Schlink <sschlink at mindspring.com>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4E4CEF5B.7060806 at kuw.ibb.gov>
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> We use considerable amounts of silicone grease on rubber O-rings for
> glass tube
> fittings on the vapor phase cooling systems in our transmitters, as well
> as the
> O-rings in transmission line connectors and wave guide connectors and never
> any problems that we are aware of, where the silicone grease attacks the
> rubber.
>
> I'd say that every Andrew coaxial connector with rubber O-rings and gaskets
> contains a small tube or two of silicone grease.
>
> 73
> Sheldon
> WA4MZZ
>
>> I have to disagree about silicone not attacking rubber. Take a look at the
>> O-ring manufacturer's sites and you will see that several synthetic
>> "rubber" compounds are attacked by "silicones". The other concern about
>> using silicone around electronics is that one of its properties is a very
>> high dielectric strength. Given its propensity to creep, that could be a
>> problem on the various contacts.
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:18:21 -0600
> From: "Lee Mushel" <herbert3 at centurytel.net>
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Mod 14KSR
> To: "DR HOUSE" <Packard42 at gmail.com>, <DLe9480907 at aol.com>
> Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <0094E2B23EFD4BCF966121E34205799E at NewComputer>
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>
> Don,
>
> I was the first bidder. I don't need or necessarily want the machine and I
> was rather hoping that you were the person who bid it away. I don't want
> it junked. And I don't want to make a trip to Chicago, either.
>
> But then, since you haven't found those keycaps for me yet I think I might
> bid it up a couple of hundred bucks at the last minute! :-)
>
> Lee
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DR HOUSE" <Packard42 at gmail.com>
> To: <DLe9480907 at aol.com>
> Cc: <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Mod 14KSR
>
>
>> Thanks... I am bidding on the unit. It is NOT a KSR..
>> It is a Keyboard Typing Printer (KTP) It does not punch tape... only
>> prints.
>>
>> The owner is also an Illinois Bell retiree like me.
>>
>> Best,
>> Don
>> K9TTY
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 Aug 2011, at 6:58 PM, DLe9480907 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> A Mod 14 KSR tape unit on Ebay 320742012072 in IL.
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