[GreenKeys] ticker tape ID continued

Sat Jan 16 16:17:16 EST 2010

Hi Lar:

Not the same company, but the same idea.  A buzzing type motion turns a 
ratchet wheel that winds the spring.

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com

Larry Tighe wrote:
> The Phelps aka Self Winding, Burry & NY Quotation tickers had replaced
> =============================
>
> "Self Winding" ? ? ?   Is that the same as the Self Winding clock 
> company that made the Western Union clocks???
>
> lar
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brooke Clarke" <brooke at pacific.net>
> To: "GreenKeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: <gil at baudot.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ticker tape ID continued
>
>
>> Hi Gil:
>>
>> The standard ticker tape format was letters in the top row and numbers
>> in the bottom row.
>> That makes it easy to search for the ticker symbol letters without being
>> distracted by the numbers.
>> Since they all printed the tape that way it may be difficult to tell
>> which printer was used.
>>
>> Another way to look at it would be by the patents.
>> Black Friday, Sep 24, 1869 spurred the development of the Edison
>> Universal tickers which were all patented by 1873.
>>
>> The Phelps aka Self Winding, Burry & NY Quotation tickers had replaced
>> the Universal tickers by October 29, 1929.
>> http://www.prc68.com/I/StkTckPat.shtml#SW
>>
>> That spurred the development of the 5A which was used up to the 1960s.
>> http://www.prc68.com/I/WU5A.shtml
>>
>> Have Fun,
>>
>> Brooke Clarke
>> http://www.PRC68.com
>>
>>
>> gil at baudot.net wrote:
>>> Hi folks:
>>>
>>> I am still trying to find info on the machine that produced the ticker
>>> tape in the following pictures -- the tape pieces are said to have come
>>> from October 1929.
>>> http://www.baudot.net/gil/Unknown-Ticker-Tape-003.jpg
>>> http://www.baudot.net/gil/Unknown-Ticker-Tape-007.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not really looked into tickers much in the past, but from the
>>> responses of some folks on greenkeys, and some digging around, I have
>>> learned a lot more about them.  I did not know the story behind the
>>> crash of 29 and how the tickers could not keep up with the trading
>>> volume.  Interesting little machines.
>>>
>>>
>>> If the ticker tapes in the pictures are indeed from 1929, it sounds 
>>> like
>>> they should have come from one of the old spring or motor-driven "glass
>>> dome" tickers, perhaps the universal or self-winding ticker:
>>> http://www.antiquecircus.com/html/tickers.html
>>> http://edison.rutgers.edu/ticker.htm
>>> http://www.lostwackys.com/tickers/self-winding-tickers.htm
>>> http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/western-union-universal-stock-ticker 
>>>
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=603561061753260739#
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7109822530630001313#
>>>
>>>
>>> The much faster "Black Box" ticker, developed by Teletype, apparently
>>> didn't see service until at least 1930:
>>> http://www.edisonticker.com/black-box-stock-ticker/
>>> http://www.edisonticker.com/black-box-stock-ticker/guts.htm
>>> http://www.prc68.com/I/WU5A.shtml
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been surprised that I have not been able to find any detailed
>>> images of ticker tape.  You would think that a lot of it would have
>>> survived.  I have not really found confirmation on tape width either.
>>> Some mention has been made of 3/4 inch, but I don't know for sure.
>>>
>>>
>>> Two things bother me about the tapes in the picture:
>>> 1) they are 11/16" wide, which may or may not be correct for the older
>>> glass tickers.
>>> 2) the text impression looks very crisp, and makes me wonder if it is
>>> from a later machine.
>>> But I am just guessing about this.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am wondering if the text impressions of the older ticker machines
>>> would be denser, as in this clip:
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6984170521861020996#
>>>
>>>
>>> Could the tape in the picture possibly be from a later machine?
>>> Can anyone who has a 5-A or later machine send pics of printed 
>>> output or
>>> the typewheel?
>>> Can anyone who has an earlier machine send pics of printed output or 
>>> the
>>> typewheel?
>>> Can anyone confirm tape width on any ticker?  I'm not even certain of
>>> the tape size used in the 5-A.
>>>
>>>
>>> The scrap of page printer copy could have come from a Model 12 (news
>>> wire service) or from a
>>> "Broad Tape" bulletin printer (financial news wire service).
>>>
>>>
>>> Broad Tape ticker was a "page printer" that use a 5-inch wide paper
>>> roll.
>>> http://www.lostwackys.com/tickers/dow-jones/
>>>
>>>
>>> To anyone here who has a broad tape machine, or a model 12, can you 
>>> send
>>> me any samples of printed output?  I am guessing that that early 
>>> machine
>>> only had one typeface -- it that true?
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks for any info you guys might have,
>>>
>>>
>>> gil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> gil smith
>>> greenkeys moderator
>>> gil at baudot.net
>>> www.baudot.net
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