[GreenKeys] ticker tape ID continued

[Larry Tighe]

The Phelps aka Self Winding, Burry & NY Quotation tickers had replaced
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"Self Winding" ? ? ?   Is that the same as the Self Winding clock company 
that made the Western Union clocks???

lar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brooke Clarke" <brooke at pacific.net>
To: "GreenKeys" <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: <gil at baudot.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] ticker tape ID continued


> Hi Gil:
>
> The standard ticker tape format was letters in the top row and numbers
> in the bottom row.
> That makes it easy to search for the ticker symbol letters without being
> distracted by the numbers.
> Since they all printed the tape that way it may be difficult to tell
> which printer was used.
>
> Another way to look at it would be by the patents.
> Black Friday, Sep 24, 1869 spurred the development of the Edison
> Universal tickers which were all patented by 1873.
>
> The Phelps aka Self Winding, Burry & NY Quotation tickers had replaced
> the Universal tickers by October 29, 1929.
> http://www.prc68.com/I/StkTckPat.shtml#SW
>
> That spurred the development of the 5A which was used up to the 1960s.
> http://www.prc68.com/I/WU5A.shtml
>
> Have Fun,
>
> Brooke Clarke
> http://www.PRC68.com
>
>
> gil at baudot.net wrote:
>> Hi folks:
>>
>> I am still trying to find info on the machine that produced the ticker
>> tape in the following pictures -- the tape pieces are said to have come
>> from October 1929.
>> http://www.baudot.net/gil/Unknown-Ticker-Tape-003.jpg
>> http://www.baudot.net/gil/Unknown-Ticker-Tape-007.jpg
>>
>>
>> I have not really looked into tickers much in the past, but from the
>> responses of some folks on greenkeys, and some digging around, I have
>> learned a lot more about them.  I did not know the story behind the
>> crash of 29 and how the tickers could not keep up with the trading
>> volume.  Interesting little machines.
>>
>>
>> If the ticker tapes in the pictures are indeed from 1929, it sounds like
>> they should have come from one of the old spring or motor-driven "glass
>> dome" tickers, perhaps the universal or self-winding ticker:
>> http://www.antiquecircus.com/html/tickers.html
>> http://edison.rutgers.edu/ticker.htm
>> http://www.lostwackys.com/tickers/self-winding-tickers.htm
>> http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/western-union-universal-stock-ticker
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=603561061753260739#
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7109822530630001313#
>>
>>
>> The much faster "Black Box" ticker, developed by Teletype, apparently
>> didn't see service until at least 1930:
>> http://www.edisonticker.com/black-box-stock-ticker/
>> http://www.edisonticker.com/black-box-stock-ticker/guts.htm
>> http://www.prc68.com/I/WU5A.shtml
>>
>>
>> I have been surprised that I have not been able to find any detailed
>> images of ticker tape.  You would think that a lot of it would have
>> survived.  I have not really found confirmation on tape width either.
>> Some mention has been made of 3/4 inch, but I don't know for sure.
>>
>>
>> Two things bother me about the tapes in the picture:
>> 1) they are 11/16" wide, which may or may not be correct for the older
>> glass tickers.
>> 2) the text impression looks very crisp, and makes me wonder if it is
>> from a later machine.
>> But I am just guessing about this.
>>
>>
>> I am wondering if the text impressions of the older ticker machines
>> would be denser, as in this clip:
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6984170521861020996#
>>
>>
>> Could the tape in the picture possibly be from a later machine?
>> Can anyone who has a 5-A or later machine send pics of printed output or
>> the typewheel?
>> Can anyone who has an earlier machine send pics of printed output or the
>> typewheel?
>> Can anyone confirm tape width on any ticker?  I'm not even certain of
>> the tape size used in the 5-A.
>>
>>
>> The scrap of page printer copy could have come from a Model 12 (news
>> wire service) or from a
>> "Broad Tape" bulletin printer (financial news wire service).
>>
>>
>> Broad Tape ticker was a "page printer" that use a 5-inch wide paper
>> roll.
>> http://www.lostwackys.com/tickers/dow-jones/
>>
>>
>> To anyone here who has a broad tape machine, or a model 12, can you send
>> me any samples of printed output?  I am guessing that that early machine
>> only had one typeface -- it that true?
>>
>>
>> thanks for any info you guys might have,
>>
>>
>> gil
>>
>>
>>
>> gil smith
>> greenkeys moderator
>> gil at baudot.net
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>>
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