[GreenKeys] RE: GreenKeys Digest, Vol 45,
Issue 27 RE: ribbon revival & reinking still viable!
Dan Durgin
ddurgin at aloha.net
Tue Oct 30 15:20:26 EST 2007
I reinked ribbons on teletype machines for about 10 years back in the '80's.
Had several 28asr's running, 43's, and a TI 820asr, back when you could get
AP and UPI, etc., on the satellites.
I used a device called a "macinker", and dot matrix ink.
This device and the ink are still available at:
http://www.cfriends.com/macinker/pricelist.htm
They make inkers for most any ribbon. The motor driven device draws the
ribbon by a resorvoir of ink, and applies some on each passthru. The ink can
be bought in several colors, also. If you are having trouble finding ribbon,
go to a paper store, and buy a ribbon for royal typewriter, and wind it on
your whatever spool. Believe it or not there was a device made by teletype
to reink the ribbon. The parts were a little resorvoir of ink and a couple
of felt pads. It mounted onto the ribbon holder. All you had to do was keep
the container full. I still have a new one I never used. Not for sale. But,
they did exist! Also teletype made some ribbons for the 43 machine, that had
a built-in reinker. There is a black roller in these ribbons. Just put ink
on the roller!
Also, wouldn't recommend stamp pad ink. It has no lubrication in it. Pins
wear out fast on dot matrix heads, and it evaporates too fast. Just go to
computer friends. Your machine will love you for it.
Hope this helps, and also aids other people in the same situation.
Dan Durgin
KA1AFJ/KH6
Ocean View, Hawaii
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Today's Topics:
1. AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival (Larry Tighe)
2. Re: AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival (Doug Alderdice)
3. Re: AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival (Ralph Mowery)
4. Re: AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival (KC0NNC at aol.com)
5. Re: AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival (Doug Alderdice)
6. Stamp Pad Ink on Google (Larry Tighe)
7. Re: AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival (Bob McConnell)
8. Re: Stamp Pad Ink on Google (jhhaynes at earthlink.net)
9. Re: Stamp Pad Ink on Google (Wayne Letourneau)
10. ink (WB6BLV Central California)
11. Re: Stamp Pad Ink on Google (Larry Tighe)
12. Teletype Model 40 Printer with Windows (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:42:29 -0400
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
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A time ago there was discussion about ribbon revival. Sorry to say, I
didn't pay attention.
I have a AN/UGC-74B with a drying ribbon. I opened the case and its a very
long closed loop. Is there anything out there commercially that can be
dropped into that holder as a replacement?
Someone mentioned WD-40 for ribbon revival....do you spray WD-40 onto that
loop? Is that a short time fix? Ideally, a bottle of ribbon ink but,
that's too much to hope for.
Thanks,
Lar
K2JIA
www.antiquetelephone.com
Larry
www.antiquetelephone.com
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:04:26 -0400
From: Doug Alderdice <ka2wft at arrl.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
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At 03:42 PM 10/27/2007 -0400, Larry Tighe wrote:
>A time ago there was discussion about ribbon revival. Sorry to say, I
>didn't pay attention.
>
>I have a AN/UGC-74B with a drying ribbon. I opened the case and its a
>very long closed loop. Is there anything out there commercially that can
>be dropped into that holder as a replacement?
>
>Someone mentioned WD-40 for ribbon revival....do you spray WD-40 onto that
>loop? Is that a short time fix? Ideally, a bottle of ribbon ink but,
>that's too much to hope for.
In my experience the WD-40 trick is an extremely short time fix! I tried
the trick once with a Calculagraph ribbon and it worked great for about
half a day and then dried up drier than it had been before the application
of "the trick" leaving me with a completely useless ribbon.
I would advise, "proceed with caution" regarding the WD-40 rejuvination.
73,
Doug, KA2WFT
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:46:35 -0400
From: "Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Alderdice" <ka2wft at arrl.net>
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival
> At 03:42 PM 10/27/2007 -0400, Larry Tighe wrote:
>>A time ago there was discussion about ribbon revival. Sorry to say, I
>>didn't pay attention.
>>
>>I have a AN/UGC-74B with a drying ribbon. I opened the case and its a
>>very long closed loop. Is there anything out there commercially that can
>>be dropped into that holder as a replacement?
>>
>>Someone mentioned WD-40 for ribbon revival....do you spray WD-40 onto that
>>loop? Is that a short time fix? Ideally, a bottle of ribbon ink but,
>>that's too much to hope for.
>
> In my experience the WD-40 trick is an extremely short time fix! I tried
> the trick once with a Calculagraph ribbon and it worked great for about
> half a day and then dried up drier than it had been before the application
> of "the trick" leaving me with a completely useless ribbon.
>
> I would advise, "proceed with caution" regarding the WD-40 rejuvination.
>
> 73,
>
> Doug, KA2WFT
The WD-40 or really any spray oil is usually only good for 'new old "
ribbons. If the ribbon has been used a lot, it is probably out of ink and
needs reinking or replacing. If you have an old ribbon that has not been
used, the ink is still there , just dried out and the reoiling will replace
the dried out oil and let you get some use out of it.
I have a reinker for my old 15 and have used it a lot. Have not had it
hooked up for a long time now and think I am down to my last tube of the NCR
black ink that comes in a tube sort of like toothpaste. Not sure if that
can even be bought any more. I bought it about 20 years agoI need to get it
going again , but moved about 3 years ago and just have been too busy.
de KU4PT
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:59:13 EDT
From: KC0NNC at aol.com
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival
To: ka2wft at arrl.net, larryradio at worldnet.att.net
Cc: greenkeys at mailman.qth.net
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Marvel Mystery oil seems not to dry up but I have experienced the opposite
effect using WD-40.
What I have seen over the past 30 years (using WD-40) is the ribbon sludging
up over time, but providing good performance during the period while the
WD-40
solvents are mobile.
I had a working stock of say 6 TTY corp. ribbons, which I stored in a vapor
tight double plastic zip lock bag, and basically keep them moist with a drop
or
two of WD-40, and more lately marvel mystery oil. The double plastic
zippered bag (a bag within a bag), has allowed me to run for 20 years on 6
ribbons.
I have misplaced these 6 ribbons, as well as the 18 other fresh but dry
ribbons I thought I had as a lifetime supply.
i recently was able to locate a few replacement ribbons from this green key
reflector. (thanks to the hams that have assisted me)
Pertaining to your problem Larry:
I suggest you take the dry ribbon cartridge you have now, and if possible
open up the cartridge and with an eye dropper moisten the ink pad contained
within, as well as dripping a few drops on the bottom of the cartridge,
where the
earth side of the ribbon tracks and floats upon. (the ink pad I mention is
many times near a leaf spring that provides some tension to the ribbon
passing
underneath, and in some instances there is a roller that provides
compression to
keep the ribbon in intimate contact with the ink pad)
Via capillary action all of the oil will be eventually transported through
the ribbon and moistened up. I have found it takes a week of so for this
capillary action to guarantee complete even saturation of the ribbon.
Avoid taking the ribbon out of the magazine as it is quite a messy moment to
hand dial the ribbon back into the cartridge some cartridges contain as much
as 66 feet of ribbon. Gloves will not work to keep you clean; you have to
use
your hands to get you out of this mess.
This information comes from my years of repairing computer dot matrix
printers similar to the OKI and Epson series which used cartridge style
ribbons, it
is based on general observations and is not specific to your cartridge.
on the spool style TTY ribbons, you apply a few drops of MMO (Marvel Mystery
Oil) to the outer layers of the would ribbon, place it in a zip lock
sandwich
bag for a week or so, and bang, you have a renewed ribbon. yes, eventually
you have to re-ink the ribbon with genuine oil base ink pad stamp glue, but
it
seems like the ribbons last for a long while, and yes, they eventually will
wear through from hammer impact, and then you peel off the old ribbon, and
reload
with an okidata 80, 81, or 82 ribbon tape (do not try and re-use the plastic
spools as they fail quite soon) never throw away a steel WE TTY model 15
style
ribbon spool. instead Save it for that rainy day. This information is a
result of my use of this metal spool style ribbon in TTY and okidata
printers
continuously over the past 30 years.
Hope this info is helpful.... If your cartridge does not open up, placing a
few drops of the MMO on the exposed ribbon surfaces, while hand winding
several feet of the ribbon will also work, it simply means that you will
need to
"store" the ribbon longer in the bag to achieve total saturation with all
the
ribbon footage. I have been told sunlight type of heat helps distribute the
MMO
solvents, but possible warpage of the black cartridge always kept me from
doing this to the ribbons I restored.
73's
Harvey E. Smith
2020 Baculite Mesa Road
Pueblo, CO., 81001-2456
719 406 9735
fka WA0BBG
nka KC0NNC
HarveyEsmith at aol.com
KC0NNC at aol.com
73's
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:02:21 -0400
From: Doug Alderdice <ka2wft at arrl.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
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At 04:46 PM 10/27/2007 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>The WD-40 or really any spray oil is usually only good for 'new old "
>ribbons. If the ribbon has been used a lot, it is probably out of ink and
>needs reinking or replacing.
Thanks, no one (that I have been aware of) has ever made that distinction
before.
73,
Doug, KA2WFT
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:04:45 -0400
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Stamp Pad Ink on Google
To: <greenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
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Hi Folks,
I Googled "Stamp Pad Ink" and came up with suppliers of bottled ink. I
think comes Monday, I'll order some and pour it into the cartridge bottom
and let the capillary action soak the endless loop.
I have to check with the office manager as she has a catalogue of supplies
and it might be easier that way.
Thanks for all the great input....I'll report back.
Lar
K2JIA
www.antiquetelephone.com
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:10:31 -0400
From: Bob McConnell <rmcconne at lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] AN/UGC-74B Ribbon Revival
To: Larry Tighe <larryradio at worldnet.att.net>
Cc: GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net
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Larry Tighe wrote:
> A time ago there was discussion about ribbon revival. Sorry to say, I
> didn't pay attention.
>
> I have a AN/UGC-74B with a drying ribbon. I opened the case and its a
> very long closed loop. Is there anything out there commercially that
> can be dropped into that holder as a replacement?
The first place I would look is Computer Friends.
<http://www.cfriends.com/>.
They make tools for re-inking old ribbons and have a variety of ink for
sale. I have used a couple of their kits for older impact printers after
the manufacturer discontinued the ribbon cartridges.
Bob McConnell
N2SPP
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:26:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Stamp Pad Ink on Google
To: Larry Tighe <larryradio at worldnet.att.net>
Cc: greenKeys at mailman.qth.net
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I've read here and there that stamp pad ink is not to be used on
anything with metal type. Perhaps it is corrosive. If you can't
get National Cash Register ink, you could look for ink for Bates
numbering machines.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:37:13 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
From: "Wayne Letourneau" <letourneau at wiktel.com>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Stamp Pad Ink on Google
To: <jhhaynes at earthlink.net>, "greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
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Go to www.cfriends.com, click on dot matrix supplies, then ink. order a
bottle of what size tou want and you are set to go. I get it in pint
bottles and use in my reinkers.
Wayne wb0cte
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From: jhhaynes at earthlink.net
Date: 10/27/07 17:26:29
To: Larry Tighe
Cc: greenKeys at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Stamp Pad Ink on Google
I've read here and there that stamp pad ink is not to be used on
Anything with metal type. Perhaps it is corrosive. If you can't
Get National Cash Register ink, you could look for ink for Bates
Numbering machines.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:46:34 -0700
From: "WB6BLV Central California" <WB6BLV at inreach.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] ink
To: <GreenKeys at mailman.qth.net>
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the plot thickens! for about 30 years I have used certain stamp pad inks on
my 14-15-19 stuff... no sign of corrosion of any kind from the ink-metal
reaction though I have indeed heard of exactly that outcome... my
salvation may be my use of off-brand really cheap (imported?) stamp pad ink
perhaps... I do NOT recommend stamp pad ink in general due to the corrosion
issue, but so far I have escaped the evil consequences...
John
WB6BLV at inreach.com
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:47:01 -0400
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Stamp Pad Ink on Google
To: "Wayne Letourneau" <letourneau at wiktel.com>,
<jhhaynes at earthlink.net>, "greenkeys" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c818eb$4b0b1da0$0200a8c0 at LARRYTIGHE>
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OK Wayne....It should be here early next week. A bit pricie but, gotta do
it.
Many thanks,
lar
> Go to www.cfriends.com, click on dot matrix supplies, then ink. order a
> bottle of what size tou want and you are set to go. I get it in pint
> bottles and use in my reinkers.
>
> Wayne wb0cte
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:29:16 -0500
From: "Derek Cohn/WB0TUA" <vibroplex at mindspring.com>
Subject: [GreenKeys] Teletype Model 40 Printer with Windows
To: "Greenkeys ((E-mail))" <greenkeys at mailman.qth.net>
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Hi Everyone,
A local ham here in St. Louis is a retired lineman for Western Union. He
has a Teletype Model 40 printer that he has been unable to interface with a
Windows machine since it has an RS-232 input (if I understand him
correctly).
Does anyone know how to interface a Windows machine (he has both a Windows
98 an a Windows XP machine) with the serial input of the Teletype Model 40
printer?
Thanks for any help you guys can give us!
Derek Cohn
Morse Telegraph Club - Alton Chapter
Office UD, Sine DJ
Amateur Radio Station - WBXTUA
1969 Brunswick M274A5 Mechanical Mule
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