[GreenKeys] Re: Misnomer of Teletype pictures! -> EVEN MORE ART!
Philipp Hachtmann
[email protected]
Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:11:38 +0200
Hi John,
> Well, you learn something every day!
Don't stop learning! I always learn a lot.
> I never heard of a lower case only machine.
Never heard? I have ONE upper case machine. It's a rare Siemens T68
teleprinter with american 3-row keyboard, US code and upper case
letters. These are
very rare here in Germany....
> How were they used? Would you say "i never heard..."??
They were used here in the telex-network. 50baud, 69 chars/line, ITA2.
> And of course ASCII did not even exist when we started
> sending pictures by Teletype.
I know :-)
> I remember the 69 versus 72 problem.
I know only that US-machines have all 72, our machines 69. I THINK
(don't really
know) that 69 is the international telex standard...
> It is going to take a while for the whole world to ever get together!
I'm not sure if it's the "whole world"... Sometimes I think it's the US
and the
rest :-)
> Oh, and by the way, the first picture you sent seems to have quite
> a few upper case characters in my display. The second one is truly
> all lower case (plus a lot of punctuation characters).
Oh, that's right. The first one is the ascii-picture... The second one
is the
tty-one..
> As you
> undoubtedly know we don't have a plus sign on our machines.
Yes, I know... but the American machines DON'T implement ITA2
correctly!!
ITA2 includes the +-:/()?.,' letters. And "who are you" and "bell".
That's it.....
> Thanks much for the fast reply.
> 73 (even if you are not a ham!)
:-)) But I'm a teleprinter collecor and specialist (perhaps I'll be one
of
the last ones..)
73,
Philipp :-)
> John
>
> Philipp Hachtmann wrote:
> >
> > Hi everybody!
> >
> > > It always makes me cringe to see "ASCII art" or anything along
> > > that line. I don't know who started using that term but it sure
> > > gets misused. ASCII is the American Standard Code for Information
> > > Interchange. It is an 8-level or 8 bit code used by computers.
> > That's right, but there is a lot of "true ascii" art, too!
> >
> > > These machines of course had only UPPER CASE
> > > fonts.
> > Papperlapapp! OUR machines have only lower case letters!!
> >
> > > You should never see
> > > a lower case character in a true RTTY picture!
> > See above. A true RTTY picture consists either of upper case or lower
> > case letters but not mixed together...
> >
> > > Well, that's about it for the moment. I'll just keep
> > > cringing as I see more "ASCII art".
> > > John, K2AGI, an Old Timer.
> >
> > Attached to this mail you'll find two pictures. The first one is
> > "frau2.txt".
> > It's real teletype art, 69 char/line (NOT 72!!!!), lower case only based
> > on ITA2
> > code.
> >
> > The second one, "ascii.txt" is another girl in real ASCII-Art,
> > ASCII-characters,
> > 80 char/line.
> >
> > If you want more - let me know :-)
> >
> > Yours,
> > Philipp, no HAM, one of the youngest :-)
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> >
> > frau2.txt
> >
> > ,bmmmmmmx.
> > immmmmmmmmmmmmmmr
> > mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
> > xmmmm' :xmmmmmmmmmmmr :ti+.
> > mm ....,:''tiimmmmmmmmmmm xv:'=vxxl
> > mm,.'::.,:, .=immmmmmmmm =, .,
> > ym.'''+=. lvmmi=, imxwmmmmm = +i
> > ll+:, mt,:,+' mm' ,, wmmmmr x: .my.
> > '=+lixrvy+ bl:==+, mmt ..,vmm x .l vy
> > ':wi y y rmmvi'. 'm+' tm = ,bi
> > i:+. wmmmmm==,,. ,:,=rl '.v= 'm
> > mmmwwm 'lmb= : .+i+=ll, '. b
> > , . m ' m,.. :''. =yi''== l' +:
> > mw+:: . .,. :vrmmm=yx' . ..=t+'+l'mymb ,v
> > 'wmmmmmmrxbx:+mmm x'xt=' =':.:+'mt:m m
> > ,'yrmmmmmmmmmml:++b +. .,'::rb m+ ,. .b
> > ..:,. lmr .:, m imb ,.':tmx mm ,. .:x,
> > , :=,=mmm +=. ymmmmmy:l.. . .lxmm+:mm, . ::yr:
> > :''''vmm: y. :mmi +mmmv'=:mmm :: ''imim
> > . .''t+lbmm = m,,xyl. .immm+. :ttrmm ': '+iyxr
> > ,. ..='=lvmmmm. +l 'mmmr+:.. li+mm.+':, ,=+ix
> > =:.,. :tttvbwmmm+ +wwmmmb: .., ,+'mmr.t:: '++lm
> > +''::,., ,,'='=+xmmmm mmmml ,'', :::'mm tl+, ::'+l+rm
> > bt='=+'::= ,',:,+xbmmm +mi.,'++t, , ,i=+mi'ti+::::,,.:'l+ixr
> > mwt'==='+'l: ,'+'=irbmmt. ml.=tt+:. =::+t:mm.lil=::,,:,'++liyyw
> > mw='+ll+l+=:.lll==lryvmmr vmxbv+:., .:lvrytmi+lt+:,::'::=+llllxt
> > =mb+'ttl+=,:ir:,'lbbxvmm xmbwi=.+.::'=+l+rmxtyltl====+++l+'=lm
> > tmy''+vt='ym.:'=ymwmmm vxtv 'it':,::yw+rml=+l==:''===='=lm
> > vmv+lt++mw,=litrmmmmm :vv: ''=xmwmmm= :mmt:ll+=''::+=:'=v'
> > mmxiltlb:'=ixxvwwmm ,bxmmmmbi'xmm : :mmrl+=+',,'='='+r:
> > bmmv v=+livlliitx .rmyt, tmmt, . ,rmr+'''=++=''=+m.
> > wm,v==litttyl:t'bm+ .,=ybwx+, . twwr=:,:'====+lm
> > ivi+tt+tyyi+=tii:. 'yxvvy+: =.=mbt'='===++im
> > bx'=:=+++===l=','+yv+'=', il ,bx+=::==+lmm
> > 'b':='=+ltt+==+lyyt,:,,. . , ,.:i+==:=='bb
> > y:+='+=lt''=+tl+=, ., . ,==l+''imy
> > +'=''++= .:::=++', . ::=+m'
> > l=+='+'=,:+=+ll+'. . ,''br
> > .+==++=: ,=+lil+' :.. ,.::lm
> > .==':':,, =l+l+: ,. .='bw
> > ':''::.'.,lt++=' . ,'=tm
> > ++,=,,:.. lil+': .:.. .=lmw
> > x' ,,: .tl=+: . .'lvm
> > =m+ +yl. . .. 'ym'
> > mm iv= vbv' .. . .+ymt
> > =m, .iv. mml ,.:,:rmb
> > , . ,,ty mm+ ::xmy
> > :l: . l+. ',=imi
> > ,vl' ,':,. ,=+, .:lmr
> > mi++l+=.,.,:'=:: .:=+rw
> > 'bvtl+=:=,,,:=', .''lm,
> > tr++t=,.+==:.',:,.. ..:'ym
> > x=++'. .+',:,::'' . .,.,'+mm
> > m=l:: .=l',..,,. . . 'lli+m
> > .v+'::,,++...... .. . ..',', ,:=+:ym
> > lt+=::,,==:::.. . ,++++='mx
> > wl=''':==''=, .. :,:::='im
> > wt+==:'=+:.... .. .,,::'==tmy
> > tv=+=''l+===':: :, ,,,:=+=xm
> > mt=+=='=='::::' , . .,,:''=++lm'
> > ml'+++=+','''::, . ..,.,..,'':'+++mr
> > 'ml++=='',==':'', ...:.:,:':':::='+wm
> > +b=++''=',',:''':, .:. ,,,.:'::=mm
> > irll+++',:'''=:::, .. ,::=='''''+im
> > mrt=+ll' ,',,:. :,... ..,:,:,:,.::+tmm
> > mil=''+: ., :',., ,, ,:. ..,. ,:=limm'
> > mytl===:::,,... .:,.' :, ,,'::,:''+iiymm
> > mtl+=ll:::, ..,,:,,:=.: ,,',,,,'==lltimt
> > 'mt+==+t,'::.:.:',, ,..,.,.,. .,,,'''=ilrm
> > lmtl+:.m+':,,:'':...'..,.::,.. ...,:':==+bm
> > mwyl=lrmm:'=',,.. ..,,': ,,, , . ,,:::'=limm
> > mbv++: y==''==': . ,,'= ., ,,'::.,:'=+liymm
> > lmimll=liml=,,.,,, ::,'::, ''':,,:..''++liltmb
> > myirmtl+txl=='''':,.::::,:,,::,,:=,.,=+ttttl=im+
> > milirr+vvyl++=':=,,,:''=::''='.,.,,==++ttll=+lxm
> > imyltvbxlvbytll=======l'=''====':'',:==l++::'lllmw
> > mmill+yrtyrrxyyiili+++l'+++lt==='=''='','+==+il=mm
> > mrrvytlix+ixviviiltll+t++l=+l=+:,. .'=:''===l+iwmr
> > mxxvyiyyiytiytiitt==+=+':''====, ,,++===l++=+tyimmm
> > miyixtymry++ytlll+ltl++==++ltl=::+l+++l==+l++tilxmm'
> > :wiytl+=ymmxiillllt+===+l++li+='''''=+:''':===tt+vmmx
> > 'mtlitt+,:mmvlllll=l=+l''+=+l+=:''===l'''=++l=+t+immm
> > :wt+ltt+' .mmy==+iti=++l='+l++ll+==l=:,'''l+=+tvyvwmm
> > :milll+lt=, mmvv=+lyyvvtl+l+littltl'======':==+tt+wmm
> > .mll+l+ll+'''wmryiiyvrwbrvtlvyiit+l==+':+'===++lttmmm
> > ml++=+=+l=:'=bmmxiyyttyxbxivttiill+=+'::'''+++ti+vmm
> > ml+l't=+=+=:=lxmmmbyyxvbbxvvtii='==:=:''++'ll+titimm
> > mll==++t==::=='immmmmmmwwrrv+tt==,:'::::=+=++lyittmm
> > mi+l'='++=+==,=':tvmmmmmmwbyttl==':,:'=l++==+ll=llrm
> > mxi=+++++'==+=''='+rwmmmwxit+t====':''.:'=':'=+=itym+
> > lwi=++==+===++=ltllybmmbxvii+='':'::''''=:=:==+=+ttmy
> > myll+='==='t=++ltyvymmxvtyytl+++:'::'::='':'''=+tymt
> > mbtl=l==+=tl'+lllxxrbmtlliy+++=',,',:':='+'='=+++ym:
> > 'mxtl+====+l'=ll+vxxwmrityil++''::,',:,':='====ltym
> > mbytll++=ltlltltvxbwmwivyll+=:='':=':::+=+=+tttvvm
> > vmvtltltll+ttilyrrbwmmyvitl+=:=='=+=:='='=+lllivrm
> > mmiyll+lt+tltivrxrmmmmyyil=+'':.,':,=++l+l+lirrmm
> > mmyitiltl+lllltrmmwmmmtti+++==='':'=+++llltyybxm=
> > mvrillttlltiivxbwwmmmyiill+=++===+++l+++lyibxrm
> > mxvytll+llittvxrbwmmmmitill===='='++ittltyxbvmm
> > mrvylttltixirwwmmmmmmliitl==++'==l'llttivbxxm.
> > mmvvtillttttyrbmmmmmmiiilt+=+==+=llttitvxrrmm
> > mxxillttll+vbmmwwmmmxivvil+++==tl+ttitvbrvmm
> > vmvyiitl++liixxxbwmmmtiyyitllltlt+tttiybbmm.
> > mmryttlttvxvbbmwmmmmryvyrxyttllltiiivvyxmm
> > mrxiititivxvwwmwmwmmtvxyvttittyyvyxvrvwmm
> > ymbxvxilivrymmmwwmmmvixviiiii+tyyitvvrbmx
> > mmmbmrxxvxxwmmmmmbmm+rxyyytltlltiixxmbm
> > mmbvyvvtxxmmmmwmwmm+irryvytiiiyrxrrbwm
> > immxtl=+tybwwmwmmmmxvxitttyyvxrxrxmmm
> > :mwmmbxrbmmmmmbmmimyxyvvyyxyiyxbbmm'
> > mwrvxmmmmmmrrbm+ mbrwrrxryvvxrmbwm
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