[GCARC] More Field Day info

[Bill S]

 The GCARC Email reflector removed my text formatting. To allow for clarity of my missive I am resending it. Still not very clear I know. 
 
 
 
 On Friday, February 26, 2021, 10:25:00 PM EST, Christopher Wawak <chris at wawak.org> wrote:  
 
 

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 9:50 PM Bill S <billszk2004 at yahoo.com> wrote:

I agreed that politics is not appropriate for this venue of Field Day. That is no excuse for limiting speech.


What are you saying here? Is politics inappropriate or is there no excuse for limiting speech? 
My statement stands on its own. 





If you read Vinnie's email his personal views appear to be the overwhelming reason for his dictatorial approach to handling what he believes to be spewing politics.

What views? There were no views shared, except to keep a radio thing radio.
I quote Vinnie: "I'll be damned if I am going to have" Sounds pretty personal to me.






Yes, you are correct GCARC is not a government entity nor Vinnie a government official. This does not give GCARC or any member the right to dictate what any other member can discuss or "spew". Everyone does have a right to walk away.


Yes it does. The Supreme Court voted that first amendment constraints don’t apply to private platforms: MANHATTAN COMMUNITY ACCESS CORP. ET AL. v. HALLECK ET AL
No it does not. The fact that first amendment does not apply to the private platforms does not give GCARC the right to limit my FREEDOM of SPEECH. One has nothing to do with the other.






Your strict interpretation of the Constitution and the Amendment does not preclude me or anyone else from speaking up when my ability to speak is being imposed upon. The spirit of the First Amendment is what every Veteran served to defend.


You’re free to speak up, but when you do so people may not want to hear what you’ve got to say. You can be asked to leave. The spirit of the first amendment has nothing to do with giving you a venue for spouting off garbage. It has to do with protecting people from being persecution by the government because of what they do think or say.
Thank you for that allowance. And I am not hear to force anyone to listen to anything I have said. I did not ask for a venue and I rarely spout garbage. I do not even know what the catalyst was for Vinnies email. I for one only spout to the choir not the general audience. But, I will defend the rights of any individual to speak and any individual to not have to listen. No matter their sex, religion, race or political leanings.



I do not know anyone that makes the distinction and argues that I don't have the right to free speech simply because I am not operating  at the government level.
No one made that assertion. I am saying you don’t have the right to bother people who don’t want to hear political drivel at a field day event.
You in fact did with this statement: "Vinnie's rules don't violate the first amendment because GCARC is not a government entity, and Vinnie is CERTAINLY not part of Congress. Only a government entity or representative can violate a person's first amendment rights.

We can continue to parse this discussion but here is my bottom line.
Every American citizen of this great country has the reasonable expectation of FREEDOM of SPEECH.  Venue, forum, circumstance or condition notwithstanding. 
In my mind it matters not if it is the Federal, State or Local government or a loosely amalgamated group of people in a club that attempt to limit that expectation and yes, dare I say RIGHT.
Duty,Honor,Country.
73 Bill
W4WCS