[GCARC] More Field Day info

Fri Feb 26 22:29:56 EST 2021

This is an interesting and very surprising thread, but it's actually
saddening.  I'm a new guy here, joined the club last year and have been
thinking about attending Field Days.  I think it's unfortunate that the
club can't get together for tech Saturdays or other events, and I hope the
coming months change that.  I joined the club looking forward to learning a
lot and being involved.  That being said, both sides of what I've read on
this are very political.  Everything in our country is now a
political stance.  I'm tired of all of the political talk, too.  But to say
that a score won't be counted because someone discussed politics?  What
gives one person the right to mandate that and send a rude, adamant email
stating "it's my way or the highway"?  Was this topic discussed by the
board?  Was it voted on?  Is it an ARRL policy?  Or is it one person making
a decision and laying down the law without getting any other input?  I'm
not sure, but the way that email was delivered, it sure appears like the
latter.

Again, I'm new.  I've only met a few of you.  I looked at a few different
local clubs and the GCARC looked like a good fit for my interests.  That
being said, if this is how it's run, with one person being able to lay down
rules however they like (with a really crappy delivery to the group) and
yet another place for me to listen to political arguments, I guess it may
not be the place for me.  Vinnie N4NYY, I agree with your desire to not
listen to political talk.  But I can't stand your delivery or authoritarian
decision.

Jerry  WW2WTF

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 9:50 PM Bill S via GCARC <gcarc at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

> I do not feel ripped off. I am making my feelings and opinion known. The
> spirit of the first amendment lives in all of us. At the Federal level and
> at my humble level.
>
> I agreed that politics is not appropriate for this venue of Field Day.
> That is no excuse for limiting speech.
>
> If you read Vinnie's email his personal views appear to be the
> overwhelming reason for his dictatorial approach to handling what he
> believes to be spewing politics.
>
> Yes, you are correct GCARC is not a government entity nor Vinnie a
> government official. This does not give GCARC or any member the right to
> dictate what any other member can discuss or "spew". Everyone does have a
> right to walk away.
>
> Your strict interpretation of the Constitution and the Amendment does not
> preclude me or anyone else from speaking up when my ability to speak is
> being imposed upon. The spirit of the First Amendment is what every Veteran
> served to defend.
>
> I do not know anyone that makes the distinction and argues that I don't
> have the right to free speech simply because I am not operating  at the
> government level.
>
> 73
> Bill
> W4WCS
>
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> ________________________________
> From: Christopher Wawak <chris at wawak.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 8:55:46 PM
> To: Bill S <billszk2004 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Vinnie Sallustio <Yankees_1996 at hotmail.com>; gcarc at mailman.qth.net <
> gcarc at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [GCARC] More Field Day info
>
> Hi Bill.
>
> If you don't want to be a member, I'm happy to personally refund your
> money. The club shouldn't suffer. No one should feel ripped off.
>
> I'm puzzled that you are referencing your service, yet you're wrong about
> the First Amendment. You, of all people should have a strong command as I'm
> sure you've taken an oath to support the constitution.
>
> Let's read the first amendment, since some folks may want a refresher.
>
> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
> prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
> or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
> petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
>
> I understand and respect the sacrifices our service members make, but
> being a veteran doesn't allow you to rewrite the Constitution.
>
> Vinnie's rules don't violate the first amendment because GCARC is not a
> government entity, and Vinnie is CERTAINLY not part of Congress. Only a
> government entity or representative can violate a person's first amendment
> rights.
>
> Let’s keep politics out of radio, period.
>
> 73 KC2IEB
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 6:39 PM Bill S via GCARC <gcarc at mailman.qth.net
> <mailto:gcarc at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
> I disagree.
>
> I agree that Field Day is not the appropriate venue for political
> discussion.
>
> But, issuing rules that violate the First Amendment is totally agregious.
> I and many others served in the Armed Forces of these United States to
> protect and honor those rights.
>
> GCARC is a membership of individuals with varied beliefs and principles.
> If I agree or disagree with anyone is not of consequence.
>
> I live in SC. I Have continued my membership in GCARC for a variety of
> reasons. I just renewed my membership. If I had read this proposed edict, I
> may have made a difference choice.
>
> The flavor of this email seems to indicate some issue of a personal
> nature. Maybe it needs to be resolved elsewhere and otherwise.
>
> Respectfully,
> 73
> Bill
> W4WCS
>
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> From: gcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:gcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> <gcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:gcarc-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> on
> behalf of Vinnie Sallustio <Yankees_1996 at hotmail.com<mailto:
> Yankees_1996 at hotmail.com>>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 5:30:01 PM
> To: gcarc at mailman.qth.net<mailto:gcarc at mailman.qth.net> <
> gcarc at mailman.qth.net<mailto:gcarc at mailman.qth.net>>
> Subject: [GCARC] More Field Day info
>
> In light of the rhetoric of recent years, I am imposing a "no political
> talk" rule at Field Day. Field Day is about ham radio. I'll be damned if I
> am going to have political rhetoric spewed on those 2 days. If you need to
> talk about it, talk about it when you are elsewhere.
>
> If I hear any political talk, I am going to do a 2 strike scenario:
>
>
>   1.  I will ask you stop
>
>   1.  If you don't stop, I will ask you to leave.
>
>   1.  If you don't leave, and since I cannot force you to leave, I will do
> the next best thing. I will NOT count the score of the band you are
> affiliated with, or the band you are hanging with at the time you are doing
> your spewing. So, all that work to put up antennas, put up a station,
> operate,  take down the station, etc, will be for naught.
>
> I look at ham radio as a refuge. I look to it to take me away from the
> problems of society, stresses of work, and whatever family issues you may
> have. I look at it as a 2 day vacation from the, world with the exception
> of ham radio.
>
> I hope you agree.
>
> Vinnie N4NYY
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