[Fists] USING THE Q-SIGNAL QRL? DUMMY LOADS ANYONE?]

Sat Jan 13 16:21:25 EST 2007

W8FAX presents evidence to support that QRL? fails in its intended
purpose.  It is possible that the reason one does not get a response
from a QRL? queerie is that the the statione being QRM'd the QRL? is
mumbling expletives under their breath. On Sun, 23 Jul 1995 N6CQ
bill.lumnitzer at paonline.com wrote:

 > QRL and all the other "Q" signals come from CW traffic handling, the
 > precedent of contesting. "QRL?" means: "Are YOU busy?" (handling traffic)
 > and was directed to a SPECIFIC station. Somehow, it has been transformed
 > (incorrectly) over the last couple of decades to mean "Is this FREQUENCY
 > busy?".  About half the time, if you send QRL? in a contest, a passerby
 > will respond R and start CQing!

See QRL from the 1936 handbook at http://www.cebik.com/tales/qsig.html 
It's intent was to be used when a two way communications has already
been established.  

Jozef WB2MIC

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Subject: 	Re: RE:[Fists] USING THE Q-SIGNAL QRL? DUMMY LOADS ANYONE?
Date: 	Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:02:04 -0500
From: 	W8FAX <w8fax at wildblue.net>
To: 	<fists at mailman.qth.net>
References: 	<864812.5621.qm at web51407.mail.yahoo.com>

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I agree with you Eric. I believe that QRL is the best way to check. 
ESPECIALLY on bands like 20 meters when it may appear the freq is clear, but 
in reality it is not. What gets me is that often you will call QRL a couple 
of times, hear no answer, start your call, but the freq IS busy. Just noone 
responded to the QRL. I guess in these days "Q" sigs are going to have to be 
part of the training we have to pass on. Most ops take them for granted. A 
feller should wait a couple after calling QRL? also. I have heard many who 
call QRL, wait 10 milliseconds, then go on with the CQ. I am old and can't 
move that fast...............73....................Al/W8FAX/2192
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From: "Eric Fairbank" <fairbank56 at yahoo.com>
To: <fists at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: RE:[Fists] USING THE Q-SIGNAL QRL? DUMMY LOADS ANYONE?

> Sending CC's may delay your post. If you feel that your post needs to go 
> to more than one destination please send them separately.
>
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>
>
>  I disagree about using QRL. Just because you don't
> hear anyone on a frequency that you want to use,
> doesn't mean it isn't in use. It could be that the
> station currently sending cannot be heard by you but
> the other station can. While each ops turn in a QSO is
> generally short, it can last several minutes. How long
> are we expected to wait before calling CQ? And then
> we'll really be QRM'ing the QSO in progress as opposed
> to sending a quick QRL? and one of the other station
> sending a quick C. I don't think ID'ing is really
> necessary if I send QRL? and someone answers C. Just
> move on to another frequency. If nobody answers, then
> you'll ID at the end of your CQ which fits the
> requirement of ID'ing once every ten minutes. You may
> still be QRM'ing a QSO in progress assuming that you
> can't hear either station but they can hear you, but
> there's not much you can do about that. But it's still
> best to send QRL? in the hopes one of them can hear
> you. I do agree about tuning up on a QSO in progress.
> That drives me crazy and I can't believe so many ops
> are doing that without realizing the QRM they are
> causing.
>
> Eric N3EF
>
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